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Old 04-23-2013, 09:11 PM   #1
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Default Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

Remember when Roy Jones mentioned during a Broner fight that they are weaknesses to the defense that Toney/Floyd/Broner use, but he didn't wanna reveal them.

But to the analyzers here, what do you believe Roy would point out as weaknesses to the Philly Shell Defense?
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:17 PM   #2
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I'd say a weakness to that defense is a good left hook since they can only block it and duck it but not roll with it so if you're a hard puncher and they just block it some of the power will still go through, but I'm not sure.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:22 PM   #3
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I'd say a weakness to that defense is a good left hook since they can only block it and duck it but not roll with it so if you're a hard puncher and they just block it some of the power will still go through, but I'm not sure.
When Floyd is blocking the left hook, he is turning with it, negating the power, he isn't sitting still blocking it. Notice you don't see him getting knocked over losing his balance? Because he is turning with it, negating the power.

For the choreographed left hooks where a guy is swinging for the fences, he will simply duck it.

His straight right hand is his best weapon, and he will hit a guy with that continually if you go hook crazy, he starts timing it. A straight right will always arrive faster than a left hook if they are thrown at the same time, and Floyd is much faster than most his opponents anyway.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:22 PM   #4
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Just figured Roy was talking out of his ass.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:23 PM   #5
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I believe the weakness of it is that it is only effective from certain positions of where you are standing in front of your opponent, limiting his punches and punching efficiency, at the same time giving you great angles that are effective, in other words you must have great footwork to constantly place youurself in these sweet spots, other wise its very difficult to execute it.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:27 PM   #6
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Default Re: Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

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Just figured Roy was talking out of his ass.
I believe Roy had some things in mind as to the weaknesses of the defense but probably didn't wanna say because he wants to protect his fellow Black American fighters who use it mostly, keep in mind Roy did dominate a guy in Toney who uses the shell defense so Roy knows what he's talking about.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:28 PM   #7
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I believe the weakness of it is that it is only effective from certain positions of where you are standing in front of your opponent, limiting his punches and punching efficiency, at the same time giving you great angles that are effective, in other words you must have great footwork to constantly place youurself in these sweet spots, other wise its very difficult to execute it.
You don't sit in the shell all fight, the philly shell is made for medium and close range only. When he is outfighting, you'll see him utilizing a standard gloves up high guard, or holding his left a little lower to jab from weird angles, while keeping his right up to catch jabs.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:28 PM   #8
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Agreed with DrMo. Too bad the GIF is dead.

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Orthodox vs Orthodox its all about the right hand vs the philly shell, thats the fundamental weakness in its set-up. No defense or guard is perfect & they all have their advantages & flaws.

The difficulty is setting up the right hand & disguising it, a good jab will help by disorganising the shell & judging range. Feinting & working to the body will open up opportunities & finishing off combinations with a right hand is often effective.

For anyone to be successful at using the shoulder roll/philly shell learning how to catch, block, slip & roll under right hands is essential. This is a gif of Locche, one the finest defensive boxers ever caught on film. Watch his opponent's right hand in this sequence & you'll see half a dozen different ways to avoid a variety of shots.

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this the best shots landed on Floyd came from right hands

Oscar caught Floyd along the ropes with a fat AZZ one in the 11th round that buzzed him and had him jump

the 1st shot Mosley got Floyd with was also a right

Castillo landed some nice rights to the body
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:28 PM   #9
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Default Re: Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

Maybe to Roy, he believes it leaves you too stationary and that he can exploit it with his footwork/footspeed. Especially for Broner who's stance is too wide
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:28 PM   #10
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Just figured Roy was talking out of his ass.
He dominated James Toney so I would say he knows a little bit about the philly shell.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:30 PM   #11
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:34 PM   #12
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If you plant yourself in the Philly Shell, you're vulnerable to lateral attacks or fighters lighter on their feet who can move in and out (PDL-Broner, Toney-Jones Jr.).

Fighters planted on their rear foot in the Philly Shell are also more predictable to move towards their right so they can pivot off of their back foot after rolling. A smart fighter can cut off the exits this way and advance without fearing much as they turn leftwards. (Cotto-Mayweather).

A good jab perfectly aligns with the pocket created by the tucked chin and weight being put on the back-foot (Cotto/DLH-Mayweather). A southpaw straight left can also land at a similar angle (Mayweather-Judah).

If you press against someone in the Philly Shell and have the strength to muscle them back, their left arm is folded up against their body and you can access the left side of their body which is relatively unprotected. Use your left forearm against their right arm and they are now immobile until you decide to throw with either hand. (Cotto-Mayweather, Duran Leonard).

If your opponent is taller than you or throws a good overhand right, it's easier for them to time a right hand over the top of the shoulder instead of constantly getting it rolled off of the arms. (Mayweather-Marquez, Toney-McCallum, Toney-Jirov).

Defending the left side of the head and the left side of the body at the same time becomes much harder to do, as moving the elbow to parry a shot to the right of the midsection leaves your chin unprotected by the shoulder. (Mayweather-Mosley).

Philly Shell fighters also usually duck down towards their rear hand, so they can get timed if an opponent adjusts their aim (Ward-Dawson, Pacquiao-Bradley, Canelo-Trout).

*(Some of the fighters mentioned above aren't primary Philly Shell users but do employ it from time to time.)
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:34 PM   #13
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You don't sit in the shell all fight, the philly shell is made for medium and close range only. When he is outfighting, you'll see him utilizing a standard gloves up high guard, or holding his left a little lower to jab from weird angles, while keeping his right up to catch jabs.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:42 PM   #14
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Default Re: Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

I think Ray Leonard said if he fought Floyd he wouldnt aim for the jaw but would look a right hand at he top of the head and anywhere that is left exposed

sounds like the key is hit with you can and dont get greedy

i guess the other option is make them lead and counter thus not dealing with the shell that much
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:46 PM   #15
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Default Re: Weaknesses of the Philly Shell Defense that Floyd and Broner use?

main two weaknesses are the jab and southpaw fighters

mayweather uses the crab def btw not phillyshell
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