Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch - Page 2

lufcrazy · 05-27-2012, 10:59 AM

Discussing home fights in that way is misleading.

The fairest way is to consider the percentages once the world scene had been reached.

How many fights did joe have after eubank and how many in the uk?

How many fights has carl had after pascal and how many in the uk?

HerolGee · 05-27-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by trampie

Only 18 of Calzaghes 46 fights was in Wales, including 5 of the first 7 when he was starting off .
25 of Froch's 31 fights have been in England, including 14 in Notts itself and 1 on the doorstep in Derbys.

not world title fights.

you cant reprimand a young fighter cutting back on travel expenses by fightnig on his doorstep, unless you want to cover their air travel to the states. Its called payingthe bills.

But you can criticise a champ for staying in Britain and Wales for nearly all his title fights, its called homebrew winning.

trampie · 05-27-2012, 11:15 AM

Only 3 of Calzaghe's last 9 fights was in Wales, in that time he fought a German in Germany and his last 2 fights were against Americans in the US.

red cobra · 05-27-2012, 11:45 AM

Calzaghe would have outclassed Froch. I'm coming off watching Calzaghe-Lacy, Kessler and Jones..I'm more impressed with him each time..it would have been easy for JC over Froch IMO.

red cobra · 05-27-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

It was close.

When Calzaghe fought Kessler, the battle of the jabs was not close. Joe dogged him.

dpw417 · 05-27-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

Calzaghe would have outclassed Froch. I'm coming off watching Calzaghe-Lacy, Kessler and Jones..I'm more impressed with him each time..it would have been easy for JC over Froch IMO.

This...Froch impressed yesterday though.But have always thought highly of Calzaghe.

Nightcrawler · 05-27-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

Calzaghe would have outclassed Froch. I'm coming off watching Calzaghe-Lacy, Kessler and Jones..I'm more impressed with him each time..it would have been easy for JC over Froch IMO.

fucked up as it is, he was probably SLIGHTLY past best for lacy and definitely for kessler and jones. i hate calzaghe but having to respect his talent

lufcrazy · 05-27-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by trampie

Only 3 of Calzaghe's last 9 fights was in Wales, in that time he fought a German in Germany and his last 2 fights were against Americans in the US.

3 of his last 9 were outside the uk. How many of carl's last 9 were outside the uk?

Imperial1 · 05-27-2012, 11:59 AM

Froch's reach ,and ja would nuetralize Joe's speed ..And honestly could Joe have hurt Carl ? Anyone see how he just walked through Bute's punches .There is a reason Joe wanted none of the Cobra !

knockout artist · 05-27-2012, 12:04 PM

Calzaghe fought plenty of times in England, it's where he beat Woodhall, Eubank and Reid.

Calzaghe was made for 15 round fights, Froch has great stamina as well, so I don't think either guy is significantly weakening down the stretch,

To people who say that Froch would walk through Calzaghe slaps, ask yourself this, why couldn't 46 professional boxers? Including champions and former champions? A lot of Joe's flurries looked like pitter patter, but he had good power and would mix a couple of power punches in there to deter his opponent. He couldn't commit to many of his punches due to his hands, but prime Calzaghe on a night where his hands aren't injured, and don't get injured can hurt Froch. Calzaghe has the greater speed, jab, boxing skills. Both have iron chins, so I don't see a stoppage.

Calzaghe will outland Froch in exchanges, in fact by engaging Calzaghe, Carl is playing into his hands, Joe will outland, hit him and spin off, hit him and spin off. Calzaghe will land his straight left more than Carl will land his straight right, and Joe will win the battle of the jabs. Carl will be game throughout, and may even hurt Joe once or twice, but nothing serious. Overall, I see Calzaghe winning a 9-3 type decision against a game and spirited Carl Froch, in a thrilling fight.

Imperial1 · 05-27-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by knockout artist

Calzaghe fought plenty of times in England, it's where he beat Woodhall, Eubank and Reid.

Calzaghe was made for 15 round fights, Froch has great stamina as well, so I don't think either guy is significantly weakening down the stretch,

To people who say that Froch would walk through Calzaghe slaps, ask yourself this, why couldn't 46 professional boxers? Including champions and former champions? A lot of Joe's flurries looked like pitter patter, but he had good power and would mix a couple of power punches in there to deter his opponent. He couldn't commit to many of his punches due to his hands, but prime Calzaghe on a night where his hands aren't injured, and don't get injured can hurt Froch. Calzaghe has the greater speed, jab, boxing skills. Both have iron chins, so I don't see a stoppage.

Calzaghe will outland Froch in exchanges, in fact by engaging Calzaghe, Carl is playing into his hands, Joe will outland, hit him and spin off, hit him and spin off. Calzaghe will land his straight left more than Carl will land his straight right, and Joe will win the battle of the jabs. Carl will be game throughout, and may even hurt Joe once or twice, but nothing serious. Overall, I see Calzaghe winning a 9-3 type decision against a game and spirited Carl Froch, in a thrilling fight.

Didn't you pick Bute to win due to his speed and power

red cobra · 05-27-2012, 12:15 PM

I was impressed also by Calzaghe's performance vs Chris Eubank...he was cat quick in that fight. He would have made Froch look ordinary and would have shut up his beautiful but annoying girlfriend quite effectively.

red cobra · 05-27-2012, 12:16 PM

I think both guys would have handled 15 rounds rather well, especially Calzaghe. He would have finished the fight as strong as he was in the 1st round.

Imperial1 · 05-27-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

I was impressed also by Calzaghe's performance vs Chris Eubank...he was cat quick in that fight. He would have made Froch look ordinary and would have shut up his beautiful but annoying girlfriend quite effectively.

A Eubank that was a shell of his former self yeah wonder how that Joe fairs against a prime Froch !

kmac · 05-27-2012, 12:22 PM

prime for prime, calzaghe is the favorite here but i think froch's style might give joe fits. carl takes a great punch and i think his jab could trouble joe. in the end, joe is a faster and more skilled fighter and wins by close ud.

why not see this fight now? joe's only 40. he took very little punishment in his career for someone that had 46 fights. joe gets credited for an atg win over 43 yr old bhop so if you go by that, joe's still relatively young.

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lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,722 vCash: 330	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch Discussing home fights in that way is misleading. The fairest way is to consider the percentages once the world scene had been reached. How many fights did joe have after eubank and how many in the uk? How many fights has carl had after pascal and how many in the uk?
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05-27-2012, 11:15 AM	#18
trampie Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,263 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch Only 3 of Calzaghe's last 9 fights was in Wales, in that time he fought a German in Germany and his last 2 fights were against Americans in the US.
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05-27-2012, 11:45 AM	#19
red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch Calzaghe would have outclassed Froch. I'm coming off watching Calzaghe-Lacy, Kessler and Jones..I'm more impressed with him each time..it would have been easy for JC over Froch IMO.
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05-27-2012, 11:59 AM	#24
Imperial1 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 16,935 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch Froch's reach ,and ja would nuetralize Joe's speed ..And honestly could Joe have hurt Carl ? Anyone see how he just walked through Bute's punches .There is a reason Joe wanted none of the Cobra !
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05-27-2012, 12:04 PM	#25
knockout artist Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,631 vCash: 2666	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch Calzaghe fought plenty of times in England, it's where he beat Woodhall, Eubank and Reid. Calzaghe was made for 15 round fights, Froch has great stamina as well, so I don't think either guy is significantly weakening down the stretch, To people who say that Froch would walk through Calzaghe slaps, ask yourself this, why couldn't 46 professional boxers? Including champions and former champions? A lot of Joe's flurries looked like pitter patter, but he had good power and would mix a couple of power punches in there to deter his opponent. He couldn't commit to many of his punches due to his hands, but prime Calzaghe on a night where his hands aren't injured, and don't get injured can hurt Froch. Calzaghe has the greater speed, jab, boxing skills. Both have iron chins, so I don't see a stoppage. Calzaghe will outland Froch in exchanges, in fact by engaging Calzaghe, Carl is playing into his hands, Joe will outland, hit him and spin off, hit him and spin off. Calzaghe will land his straight left more than Carl will land his straight right, and Joe will win the battle of the jabs. Carl will be game throughout, and may even hurt Joe once or twice, but nothing serious. Overall, I see Calzaghe winning a 9-3 type decision against a game and spirited Carl Froch, in a thrilling fight.
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05-27-2012, 12:15 PM	#27
red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch I was impressed also by Calzaghe's performance vs Chris Eubank...he was cat quick in that fight. He would have made Froch look ordinary and would have shut up his beautiful but annoying girlfriend quite effectively.
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05-27-2012, 12:16 PM	#28
red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch I think both guys would have handled 15 rounds rather well, especially Calzaghe. He would have finished the fight as strong as he was in the 1st round.
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05-27-2012, 12:22 PM	#30
kmac On permanent vacation ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,094 vCash: 683	Re: Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch prime for prime, calzaghe is the favorite here but i think froch's style might give joe fits. carl takes a great punch and i think his jab could trouble joe. in the end, joe is a faster and more skilled fighter and wins by close ud. why not see this fight now? joe's only 40. he took very little punishment in his career for someone that had 46 fights. joe gets credited for an atg win over 43 yr old bhop so if you go by that, joe's still relatively young.
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