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Old 05-30-2012, 02:50 PM   #16
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Yeah you could argue that the lay offs in fact did him some good .
In a way yeah.

He had alot of high profile fights but his ring miles were lower than most great fighters. Ray had about 40 fights in his career. If he had to take on those great fighters back to back to back he would have been worn out alot sooner.



It just takes a toll on the body and the mind.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:35 PM   #17
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I think the perfect career path for him would be to beat Curry either at WW or JMW, then McCallum at JMW before moving up to take Hagler's title and beating Hearns once more at JMW or MW before retiring.

That would in fact perhaps make him the GOAT in reality, but he he wouldn't be seen as such by most since it's doubtful that Curry or McCallum would be that higly regarded in this scenario. And many would still claim that Hagler was shot already in 1985 if that's when Leonard would get to him.

I don't expect Leonard to win all these fights, though, even if they were made when they should be, but he would sure give it a good go.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:46 PM   #18
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Yeah, but once he got to 160, the limit increases.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:29 PM   #19
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If he had fought Pryor at WW that would have added to his legacy, you can never fight everyone theres always going to be some guy saying oh you ducked so and so but it would have been a great fight.
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Old 05-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #20
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I clear win against Hagler would help a lot...
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Old 05-30-2012, 06:49 PM   #21
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Ray's wins are incredible. What he lacks is the long resume or his contemporaries like Hearns,Hagler and Duran who fought much more than he did throughout the whole decade. Had he had the long record of those guys he would have been even greater. He only had 40 fights in his career. But I still put him top 10.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:57 AM   #22
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Hagler still complains about the loss to Leonard even to this day, he cant get over it, poor marvin
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:48 AM   #23
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Hagler still complains about the loss to Leonard even to this day, he cant get over it, poor marvin
He has himself to blame. Marvin seemed to need to think a guy was a real threat and then he came out smoking like against Hearns. With Ray he thought it would be easy and came out righty.
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:31 AM   #24
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When Hagler came out orthodox for the first round it showed he wasnt 100% confident (although Hagler was one of the greatest switch hitters of all time) Ive changed my mind several times on who actually won the bout
History records a win for SRL though and he certainly took something more than just a win from Marvin that night
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:23 AM   #25
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In a legacy sense, yeah, he could have done more. Don't get me wrong - what he did was great alright, but meeting Marvin much sooner than he did would have elevated him even higher. (Provided he won.)
Meeting a Curry or a McCallum I don't think would have greatly enhanced his legacy, at least not compared with what he had already done. Wins over these guys would have added something to the legacy, but not a great deal in my opinion.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:27 AM   #26
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When Hagler came out orthodox for the first round it showed he wasnt 100% confident (although Hagler was one of the greatest switch hitters of all time) Ive changed my mind several times on who actually won the bout
History records a win for SRL though and he certainly took something more than just a win from Marvin that night
I think, scandalous as it may sound, that Marvin at least at first, was intimidated by Leonard.
Leonard was actually a little bit of a bully in that fight; he hit low intentionally a couple of times, and stood his ground at the end of some rounds, glaring at Hagler.
On at least one occasion, Hagler bowed his head rather meekly and walked to his corner with Ray glaring at him.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:35 AM   #27
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I think, scandalous as it may sound, that Marvin at least at first, was intimidated by Leonard.
Leonard was actually a little bit of a bully in that fight; he hit low intentionally a couple of times, and stood his ground at the end of some rounds, glaring at Hagler.
On at least one occasion, Hagler bowed his head rather meekly and walked to his corner with Ray glaring at him.

Yeah agreed - Ray says in his book (in preparation for Marvin) that he noticed in fight footage of Hagler, he always got to the centre of the ring first as if to say 'this is my house' and so Ray made sure that he got there first and if you look closely at the fight you will notice that Marvin looks a little stunned to see Ray there waiting for him at the start of the rounds - especially the first

Very few if any people outpsyched Hagler but SRL managed it - got right into his head!
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:41 AM   #28
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Did you watch that long interview with Leonard on Skysports? It's on Youtube. Really makes for a nice companion piece to the book.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:46 AM   #29
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No not seen that yet - I'll have to check it out No youtube in work tho (damn admins ragghh) - Im lucky I can get onto this forum hehe
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Yeah agreed - Ray says in his book (in preparation for Marvin) that he noticed in fight footage of Hagler, he always got to the centre of the ring first as if to say 'this is my house' and so Ray made sure that he got there first and if you look closely at the fight you will notice that Marvin looks a little stunned to see Ray there waiting for him at the start of the rounds - especially the first

Very few if any people outpsyched Hagler but SRL managed it - got right into his head!
Marvin, for all his toughness, seemed to have a bit of a weak psyche.
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