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Old 11-07-2012, 09:47 AM   #16
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Talent wise, Tubbs was somewhere above a Jack Johnson and probably a hair below an Ali. He had more talent in his pinky than, well, Pinky. Or Quick Tillis.

In any condition, he would have schooled such ol-timey wonders as Dempsey, Louis or Marciano.

Slickness, thy name is Tubbs.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:23 AM   #17
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I mean look at Buster Mathis Jr
I'd rather not.

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Skilled but inconsistent for a variety of reasons, ie drugs lack of conditioning and also Don King, he played a major role in manipulating fighters mentally. He did a number on guys who really didnt even want to fight by fight time because of a bad deal or lack of preparation caused by King.
True. But that goes for the guys Tubbs beat as well.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:47 AM   #18
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Talent wise, Tubbs was somewhere above a Jack Johnson and probably a hair below an Ali. He had more talent in his pinky than, well, Pinky. Or Quick Tillis.
You're mis-using the word "talent".
Pinklon Thomas had something like three amateur fights and rose to the same level as Tubbs at the same rate as a professional.
Tubbs had about 250 amateur fights according to some reports, he represented the USA in international tournaments, was a top amateur.
I doubt Tubbs would have had the same success in the pros without all that experience in the amateurs.


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You're mis-using the word "talent".
Pinklon Thomas had something like three amateur fights and rose to the same level as Tubbs at the same rate as a professional.
Tubbs had about 250 amateur fights according to some reports, he represented the USA in international tournaments, was a top amateur.
I doubt Tubbs would have had the same success in the pros without all that experience in the amateurs.

Slick.
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Slick.
Slick as Wimpy Halstead.
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Slick as Wimpy Halstead.
Don't hate on Jerry.

Tubbs schooling Bowe. Robbery of the Century of the Week.

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"I don't think it was fair," Halstead said. "The judges couldn't have seen it that way, unless they each had a quart of vodka maybe."

"They can't take anything away from me. I figure I'm 22-1. I was controlling the tempo of the fight. His jab was the only thing he had working. But he's slick. I'll give him that."

Tubbs hurt his right hand during the match, but an immediate postfight examination revealed it was not broken.

"I hurt it in the fourth round," Tubbs said, "when I hit his bald head and I could only use my jab after that.

"But I know Wimpy. He comes to fight. This is only my second fight in nearly two years and I'm taking no easy opponents."







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The 28-year-old Tubbs began his comeback last month with a lackluster win over Mike Jamison.

Saturday's effort wasn't much better. There was a lot of bobbing and weaving, but a fight never seemed to break out. Halstead, who fought at 219 pounds, caught his opponent with a good left in the first round and a couple of rights later on, but that was the extent of his attack.


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Old 11-07-2012, 12:17 PM   #23
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Toney Tubbs loved too much sugar on his donuts
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:18 PM   #24
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To measure a mans worth please measure him against the guys he did fight.

Tubbs had close fights with Greg page and Tim witherspoon and out pointed bones smith ... This is the sum total of his career!! Mark Williams also lost by SD to Tim Witherspoon, even marvis Frazier beat Bones Smith and Marvis himself beat Tubbs. its not any kind of resume.

Tony may have had the lazy skill to extend a top fighter without ever looking to expend or engage himself too much. Had a knack of keeping things friendly...so what! there was no TNT about him. If you can neutralise a good fighter without over committing yourself it doesn’t make you great if that’s all you can do even at your very best.

Truth is out of who he got to fight Tubbs overachieved anyway!! Greg Page had to climb over a whole lot more better fighters to become a belt holder than Tubbs ever did, as did Gerrie Coetzee and the rest of them.

The fact that Tubbs as a veteran was always able to appear as a capable journey man does not mean that he was ever really anything more than just that. Being around at the time when shading the second best heavyweight gave you a belt IS the only factor that allows Tubbs to look historically more significant than many other merely decent heavyweights.

It is not going too far if we say Don ****ell or Tommy Hurricane Jackson beat more contenders than Tony Tubbs.
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Don't hate on Jerry.

Tubbs schooling Bowe. Robbery of the Century of the Week.

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Tubbs > Bowe > Holyfield > Tyson
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Tubbs > Bowe > Holyfield > Tyson
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In any condition, he would have schooled such ol-timey wonders as Dempsey, Louis or Marciano.
........Right up until he got hit on the chin for the first time by either one of them.
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4 reasons why Tubbs might just be the greatest of them all :


1. The reason Tubbs fought Wimpy was because he thought he was a burger.

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2. Don King invented donuts and cocaine to **** with Tubbs' career.
(This was after he was done pumping poison gas into Berbick's hotel room.)


3. Tubbs has about 20 kids scattered around the place and a crack cocaine habit. That's some slick black shit.


4. The Incredible Hulk trained TNT Tubbs for Tokyo Tyson.
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4 reasons why Tubbs might just be the greatest of them all :


1. The reason Tubbs fought Wimpy was because he thought he was a burger.

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2. Don King invented donuts and cocaine to **** with Tubbs' career.
(This was after he was done pumping poison gas into Berbick's hotel room.)


3. Tubbs has about 20 kids scattered around the place and a crack cocaine habit. That's some slick black shit.


4. The Incredible Hulk trained TNT Tubbs for Tokyo Tyson.
I think you are beginning to understand.
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Tubbs even stores cocaine on his chin and pretends its a beard

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