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Old 06-01-2012, 05:04 AM   #1
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"Buakaw Por Pramuk announced his retirement from Muay Thai yesterday after talks aimed at solving a financial dispute with the Por Pramuk boxing camp broke down.
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Muay Thai superstar Buakaw "Por Pramuk" Banchamek tells reporters of his decision to retire. The world famous Thai Fight champion said he could not agree on a new contract with his boxing camp.

The saga seemed to have reached a conclusion on May 22 when both parties made a deal that would allow the former K1 champion a bigger share of his fight fees as well as other income.
Under the agreement, Buakaw would receive 60 percent of fight fees and prize money and get 75 percent from other sources such as TV appearances and product endorsements.
But at yesterday's meeting to finalise the deal at the Sports Authority of Thailand (SAT) headquarters, Buakaw demanded full control of his commercial rights and 100 percent of any earnings.
Por Pramuk camp owner Pramuk Rojanatan refused to yield to his demands and as the discussions grew increasingly heated, the fighter surprised everyone by announcing his retirement.
"I want to announce that I will not fight anymore," said the 30-year-old Muay Thai superstar, who reportedly received 1.2 million baht per bout.
"I am sorry to say that and I made this decision by myself."
Buakaw, whose real name is Sombat Banchamek, added that from now on he would focus on training young people at his Banchamek camp in his native province of Surin.
SAT deputy governor Sakol Wannapong said he felt sorry that both sides had failed to reach an agreement.
"It's all about money," he said.
Buakaw joined the Por Pramuk camp when he was nine but left in March after becoming frustrated with what he believed was his unfair treatment.
He then fought in a Thai Fight event in Pattaya last month without permission, a move that led to his camp suing both the boxer and the Thai Fight organisers."


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31 May 2012. Buakaw announced his retirement from fighting after he was unable to reach an agreement with Mr. Pramuk Rojanathan of Por Pramuk camp over the new contract.

This afternoon, Buakaw met with Mr. Pramuk at the Sports Authority of Thailand (SAT) for another round of negotiations over his new contract after they failed to reach a conclusion at the previous meeting [on 22 May 2012]. Also present at today's meeting were the Deputy Governor of SAT & the President of the Professional Boxing Association of Thailand.

Before the meeting began, Mr. Dej Jaikla, the Director-General of the Board of Boxing Sport, asked the media to leave the room. However, Mr. Pramuk asked that the media be allowed to stay.

Por Pramuk camp's lawyer said that the camp was willing to drop their lawsuit against Mr. Teerawat Yioyim, Buakaw's sports science trainer, provided that Buakaw accepted the new contract. The new contract specifies that [until 5 November 2018] income from fights will be divided 60:40 (60% to Buakaw, 40% to the camp), & all other income from activities such as (but not limited to) public appearances, advertising & sponsorship will be divided 75:25 (75% to Buakaw, 25% to the camp).**

However, Buakaw's lawyer said that Buakaw should be entitled to 100% of his income from activities outside of the ring, & should not be made to share it with the camp. This is because Buakaw is already 30 years old & has at most a few years left in his career as a boxer.

When an agreement could not be reached, the camp's lawyer said that the camp would be happy to sell Buakaw off to another camp that is interested in buying him. This had been proposed by Major General Intharat Yodbangtoey (the mediator in the dispute between Buakaw & Por Pramuk camp) at the previous meeting on 22 May 2012.

Buakaw then said that since both parties could not agree, & that the outstanding issue now lies with him alone, all problems should come to an end if he retires. His family & his first muaythai teacher had never asked for money, & he has already repaid their kindness in full. Therefore, he would like to retire from boxing from now on. He will not fight again, & will not try to register [as a boxer with the Board of Boxing Sport] again under a different name. On hearing this, Mr. Pramuk & his son Mr. Teeraphat (Au) burst into applause lasting many minutes.

The Deputy Governor of the SAT said that it is most regrettable that an agreement could not be reached, & that things had to end this way. He said that it is bad for Thailand's image that Mr. Pramuk & Mr. Teeraphat had clapped happily when Buakaw said that he would retire & not continue to fight & achieve success for the nation.

Mr. Pramuk retorted that he had clapped for joy not because Buakaw will retire but because all the problems he has had with Buakaw since March will come to an end.

Mr. Pramuk later said that he regrets that Buakaw will not continue to bring fame to Thailand, & claimed that the dispute had to end this way because of a 'third party'. He thinks that this would not have happened if not for issues related to money, & that in the past, the careers of famous boxers have ended because of such problems. In any case, he is relieved that things have come to an end.

Buakaw said that it is regrettable that he has to retire even though he is still able to fight. However, he wanted to end this dispute once & for all. He had thought about it [the decision to retire] beforehand, & confirmed once again that there was no 'third party' behind his decision.

Buakaw also said that he has brought fame to the country all along, & it is better for him to retire when he is at the top, rather than to retire when his career is fading away.

When everything has been settled, Buakaw will not leave the muaythai scene totally, but return to his home in Surin province to train a new generation in muaythai at his Banchamek Gym. Many children have applied to join his gym, including the children of foreigners. When asked if he would consider becoming a promoter, he said that it is too early to think about it now.

Buakaw would like to apologise to all of his fans for his decision to retire, & assures everyone that this is not the last that they have seen of him. He would like to thank everyone & the whole country for their support & encouragement. In addition, he would like young fighters to view his case as an example, & hopes that this will be the last time such a case ever happens in the muaythai scene.

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Old 06-01-2012, 05:26 AM   #2
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an emotional Buakaw

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Would've liked to have seen him give it one more go, but after an ATG career spanning decades and hundreds of fights like his now is as good a time as any, either way I wish Buakaw and his new gym success.
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Leaving unfinished business with Petrosyan???
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:18 PM   #5
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Leaving unfinished business with Petrosyan???
Buakaw was robbed when they met.

Don't reckon Petrosyan ever fancied a rematch as he never fancied a bout with JWP after seeing the Buakaw JWP bout in 2004. Both guys problems for Petrosyan and he knew it.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:06 PM   #6
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Buakaw was robbed when they met.

Don't reckon Petrosyan ever fancied a rematch as he never fancied a bout with JWP after seeing the Buakaw JWP bout in 2004. Both guys problems for Petrosyan and he knew it.
Good Fight havent seen this in a while.

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I dont think Petro was avoiding Buakaw or Jwp Boran. Where is the evidence of that?

Buakaw has had a remarkable career. By the way in that vid the japanese fighter the camera annoyingly keeps switching back to was Takayuki Kohiruimaki who Buakaw would fight next.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi4tLRgKkKc[/ame]



And to finish the night off Buakaw vs Masato:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-DajzRbVQg[/ame]





Buakaw just dominated the K-1 max finals in 2004. He should IMO go down in history as the #1 k-1 max fighter.

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Actually just recently became a fan...but wish Baukaw success with his academy.
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Buakaw was robbed when they met.

Don't reckon Petrosyan ever fancied a rematch as he never fancied a bout with JWP after seeing the Buakaw JWP bout in 2004. Both guys problems for Petrosyan and he knew it.


They were very evenly matched, and a rematch would have been a pick'em.
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They were very evenly matched, and a rematch would have been a pick'em.
No offence IB, I'm a fan, especaily of your fight night commentaries but I can't agree with you on this one and I don't think to many MT guys will either.

Evenly matched maybe in kickboxing terms, but not in MT terms and I don't think elbows were allowed in this one , a great weapon for Buakaw. Buakaw wins the 1st, creams the 2nd, you give the 3rd to Petro, the 4th to Buakaw and except for a throw and one heavy combination early it's all Buakaw in the 5th. Petro's one of those guys even when he loses the round it feels close. I've posted it below, watch it again and don't belive Petro and his corner's hype at the end. (What's going on with those score cards I wonder).

Petro isn't the same fighter under MT rules. Even though he comes out of an MT background, he fights better as a kickboxer. He's too reliant on his hands, lacks heavy power in his feet and never seems comforatable with knees to be a top flight MT fighter IMO, hence why he doesn't fight in Thailand and rarely under full MT rules. I've got no evidence Yaca but, that's why he didn't fancy the Buakaw rematch and why he didn't fancy JWP. It seems that loss in Lumpinee really got to him.

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Good Fight havent seen this in a while.

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I dont think Petro was avoiding Buakaw or Jwp Boran. Where is the evidence of that?

Buakaw has had a remarkable career. By the way in that vid the japanese fighter the camera annoyingly keeps switching back to was Takayuki Kohiruimaki who Buakaw would fight next.

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And to finish the night off Buakaw vs Masato:


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Buakaw just dominated the K-1 max finals in 2004. He should IMO go down in history as the #1 k-1 max fighter.
Absolutely, agree Yaca I think he defined K1 Max. I love watching that 2004 max tourney and I love watching that Takayuki Kohiruimaki fight, he totally exposes him which I really enjoy as I never liked him. Thought he was overrated and was lucky to get the decision over Zambidis.

The JWP fight is a good one shame they met each other so early cos I reckon any other way and they would have met in the final. It's a weird fight in someways as they are both so clearly MT guys but they are fighting without their full arsenals.

About the Petro Buakaw JWP thing see my post to IB.
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No offence IB, I'm a fan, especaily of your fight night commentaries but I can't agree with you on this one and I don't think to many MT guys will either.

Evenly matched maybe in kickboxing terms, but not in MT terms and I don't think elbows were allowed in this one , a great weapon for Buakaw. Buakaw wins the 1st, creams the 2nd, you give the 3rd to Petro, the 4th to Buakaw and except for a throw and one heavy combination early it's all Buakaw in the 5th. Petro's one of those guys even when he loses the round it feels close. I've posted it below, watch it again and don't belive Petro and his corner's hype at the end. (What's going on with those score cards I wonder).

Petro isn't the same fighter under MT rules. Even though he comes out of an MT background, he fights better as a kickboxer. He's too reliant on his hands, lacks heavy power in his feet and never seems comforatable with knees to be a top flight MT fighter IMO, hence why he doesn't fight in Thailand and rarely under full MT rules. I've got no evidence Yaca but, that's why he didn't fancy the Buakaw rematch and why he didn't fancy JWP. It seems that loss in Lumpinee really got to him.

This. Based solely on my interpretation of events.

I think before that fight with Nonthanan Por. Pramuk Giorgio wanted to be a top Muaythai fighter and was willing to even fight in the stadiums to do it.

After that fight his goals changed and decided to become more of a kickboxer... and became one of the best to ever compete.

I dont blame him for making that choice Petro is definitely more suited for kickboxing anyway considering his fists are his main weapon. Without punching power could never had been victorious in the stadiums since punches are not scored as much as kicks by the judges. I just wish we had that video of Nonthanan vs Petrosyan to see how that fight played out.
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This. Based solely on my interpretation of events.

I think before that fight with Nonthanan Por. Pramuk Giorgio wanted to be a top Muaythai fighter and was willing to even fight in the stadiums to do it.

After that fight his goals changed and decided to become more of a kickboxer... and became one of the best to ever compete.

I dont blame him for making that choice Petro is definitely more suited for kickboxing anyway considering his fists are his main weapon. Without punching power could never had been victorious in the stadiums since punches are not scored as much as kicks by the judges. I just wish we had that video of Nonthanan vs Petrosyan to see how that fight played out.
Yeah, I agree he had high MT ambitions, but he just wasn't sutited to it. I don't belame him for the change, you have to go where you can make the most money or where you can become top tier and for Petro it was kickboxing.

That Nonthanan clip must be out there somewhere, I'll try to find it on Thai sites.
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After watching this I go along with everything I said in the other Buakaw thread. Good move, get your freedom back from those horrible slave masters and move on with what looks to be a good future once the dust settles.

Thai superstardom awaits (well kind of). Lot's of Thai TV, Thai movies away from boxing and in boxing, he'd be hot stuff on the seminar circut in Europe, America, and Japan. Back in Thailand he'll train fighters and I'm sure there willbe a conatanst flowof many forigen students to keep the gym ticking over.

The future looks bright for the great white lotus!!
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After watching this I go along with everything I said in the other Buakaw thread. Good move, get your freedom back from those horrible slave masters and move on with what looks to be a good future once the dust settles.

Thai superstardom awaits (well kind of). Lot's of Thai TV, Thai movies away from boxing and in boxing, he'd be hot stuff on the seminar circut in Europe, America, and Japan. Back in Thailand he'll train fighters and I'm sure there willbe a conatanst flowof many forigen students to keep the gym ticking over.

The future looks bright for the great white lotus!!
True.

It just seems like their is so many fights left for buakaw that we will never see.

But for Buakaw Banchamek himself, this is the best thing he can do now. Thats what REALLY matters. Best of luck to him.
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Yeah, I agree he had high MT ambitions, but he just wasn't sutited to it. I don't belame him for the change, you have to go where you can make the most money or where you can become top tier and for Petro it was kickboxing.

That Nonthanan clip must be out there somewhere, I'll try to find it on Thai sites.
It must be great to be able to read Thai. I even try using google translate but... I fed this paragaph through google taranslate and this is what I got.

From this:

เคลียร์กันไม่จบ ต้องจบแบบเจ็บๆ บัวขาว ป.ประมุข ประกาศเลิกชกมวย กลางที่ประชุม หลังจากไม่บรรลุเรื่องรายได้กับ ค่าย ป.ประมุข โดยขอยุติอาชีพพ่อค้ากำปั้น ผันตัวไปปั้นนักมวยในค่ายบัญชาเมฆ และสอนมวยต่างชาติแทน ด้าน กำนันแก๊ รับหายเครียด แต่เสียดายที่ทุกอย่างต้อง

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Clear is not finished. I have a sore head and Buakaw Por announced termination date. Central to the meeting. After camp, I did not realize income on the head by a merchant settlement fist. Boxer turned to sculpture in the camp, commanded the clouds. He taught the village chief and the foreign gas, but unfortunately I get lost every need.

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Im just saying boran you have the advantage on the rest of us.
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