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Old 06-05-2012, 05:59 AM   #31
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That being said, Louis is deserving of his high ranking based on his longevity. Tyson didn't have that and rather than using that to glorify his prime like many do, for me it works against him. Could Tyson have pulled off the career Louis did? Probably not because he wasn't the professional Louis was
Prison took some of that away form him, what would have happened in 91 against Holyfield? well never know.

But Louis didnt have guys like Holyfield, Lewis and Bowe around in his era, if he did, his reign may not have been so long.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:46 AM   #32
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Tyson would stop:

Carnera
Buddy
Simon
Conn (would blitz him)
Maueriello
Galento (on his feet)
Godoy(would look like Mathis Jr match)
Nova(would like Ruddock fights)

More interesting:

Braddock
Old Schmeling

At worst, I could see them making their way to the final bell.



And I think Walcott has a good shot at Mike. As does Max Baer.


But I think the real point is no way Tyson could match Joe Louis' run. If he met these guys in succession like Louis, he would suffer some burn out and upsets.

That's exactly what would happen with Tyson. He'd win with some brutal ko's early on and then get less and less prepared for his fights and lose against somebody when he was ill-prepared going in. It is a major weakness in his game and he is not stringing together 20 odd title defenses because of it.

The other trouble with that long list is factoring in the Tyson deterioration factor through time. All his results were against old guys when he was fresh and young. When a guy defends the title for that long, that is no longer the case and the champ makes adjustments and continues to win.

I also like the possibilities of the great trainer back then that opposed Blackburn and Louis so often, Ray Arcel, to probe big holes in Tyson's style and have one of his guys exploit it for the win.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:37 AM   #33
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Ray Arcel, to probe big holes in Tyson's style and have one of his guys exploit it for the win.
When guys like Futch, Dundee and Giachetti couldnt?
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:14 AM   #34
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Prison took some of that away form him, what would have happened in 91 against Holyfield? well never know.

But Louis didnt have guys like Holyfield, Lewis and Bowe around in his era, if he did, his reign may not have been so long.
It didn't take a Holyfield, Lewis, or Bowe to end Tyson's reign.

Besides, Louis would eat Bowe and pre-Steward Lewis up. And if Evander tries to go to war with Louis like he did Bowe...forget his chances of making it out of Round 10, if he gets rocked like that against Joe Louis he's done.
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Old 06-05-2012, 08:20 AM   #35
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It didn't take a Holyfield, Lewis, or Bowe to end Tyson's reign.

Besides, Louis would eat Bowe and pre-Steward Lewis up. And if Evander tries to go to war with Louis like he did Bowe...forget his chances of making it out of Round 10, if he gets rocked like that against Joe Louis he's done.
Funnily enough, there was an interview out there, Holy stated he would have knocked Louis out.

Do you pick Louis against The 'Tokyo' douglas?

I dont see tyson losing to Schmeling
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Funnily enough, there was an interview out there, Holy stated he would have knocked Louis out.

Do you pick Louis against The 'Tokyo' douglas?

I dont see tyson losing to Schmeling
-Holyfield also said he will be the undisputed Champion again, that he never took hormones, God will knock out Lennox Lewis in the 3rd Round..etc.

-Tokyo Douglas KO1 Ali.....

-To be fair Louis took on the HOFer Former World Champion Max Schmeling in just the second year of his career. Consider the still developing Tyson who went 6-4 against the vet gate keeper Tillis at a similar stage in his career. An early upset to Schemling is a realistic possiblity.
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Old 06-05-2012, 09:30 AM   #37
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-Holyfield also said he will be the undisputed Champion again, that he never took hormones, God will knock out Lennox Lewis in the 3rd Round..etc.
OG Holy got some brain-damage no question m8.
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CURRENT ALI???

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-To be fair Louis took on the HOFer Former World Champion Max Schmeling in just the second year of his career. Consider the still developing Tyson who went 6-4 against the vet gate keeper Tillis at a similar stage in his career. An early upset to Schemling is a realistic possiblity.
I had Fighting Cowgirl winning 6-4, he landed teh cleaner, harder punches as he bravely ran away, with a higher workrate of slappy flurries. + I gave Tilly extra credit for it being his hometown.

Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!
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OG Holy got some brain-damage no question m8.


CURRENT ALI???



I had Fighting Cowgirl winning 6-4, he landed teh cleaner, harder punches as he bravely ran away, with a higher workrate of slappy flurries. + I gave Tilly extra credit for it being his hometown.

Foreman Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!
Tyson doesn't like to be ****ed by anybody other than the current Mrs. Tyson, can you dig?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:40 PM   #39
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When guys like Futch, Dundee and Giachetti couldnt?
Correct. I was not then or now, impreesed w/ Spinks at heavy w/ futch. And Eddie was not there for Holmes either, so that resume is rather thin at best. He was made to order for Tyson.

I think much less of Dundee and the 87 version of Pinklon Thomas. And did Giachetti even bother to train Holmes for the Tyson fight? no matter a 37 year old Holmes is not winning that fight either. Reverse the ages and have Ritchie with a young Holmes & I think he takes a 37 year old Tyson though.
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:57 PM   #40
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Tyson would crush those guys.

They wouldn't even be heavyweights in this era. Except Carnera of course.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:00 PM   #41
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Funnily enough, there was an interview out there, Holy stated he would have knocked Louis out.
Holyfield did not get as far as he did by having a defeatist atitude.

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Do you pick Louis against The 'Tokyo' douglas?
Without any hesitation.

Louis would not have prepared the way that Tyson did for that fight against any opponent with a pulse.

Its not that Louis never suffered the kind of problems that Tyson did against opponents like Douglas, its more that he always found a way to turn it round.

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I dont see tyson losing to Schmeling
On the face of it I agree with you, but I would never in my wildest dreams have had him loosing to Douglas.

Once Tyson starts taking his opponents for granted, who knows what will happen?
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:22 PM   #42
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Janitor offers an interesting point...Tyson was not almost the most professional of champions.

If he came in less than sharp and unfocused against Charles, Walcott, or Schmeling, he'd get a similar boxing lesson to the one Douglas gave him, I can tell you that much.

A Mike who was focused and sharp, though, I have to pick over those three and all the rest. I don't think Schmeling has the two-fisted power to keep Tyson off, Walcott could be caught and finished by top shelf power, and Charles is in a similar boat to Schmeling; I can guarantee he'd have a great showing and take rounds of Mike, but I think keeping him away and potshotting and/or successfully banging it out when Tyson established ranged for 15 is too tall an order for any small heavyweight ever. MAYBE Joe Louis could do the latter, but given his own fragility, he'd do it with one shot or combination, not over several rounds.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:27 PM   #43
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you guys are SLEEPING on Jersey Joe Walcott

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that punch would KO anybody
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