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Old 06-06-2012, 01:26 PM   #31
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His hands were extremely fast, period ... right up there with Ali and Patterson .. I remember multiple title defenses on HBO where Ray Leonard as commentator raved over Larry's hand speed ... he was a gifted fighter ...

Ali's and Patterson's handspeed was signifigantly faster.
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Old 06-06-2012, 07:31 PM   #32
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If lil Floyd Patterson @182LBS can be included in teh discussion of fastest "heavyweight" hands, might aswell say a Primed 175LB $ugar Roy Jones JR who rehydrated to up to 190LBS of solid super fast-twitch muscle, was way way faster than anyone mentioned in this thread by far, yep even including 1966 GOAT Ali.

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Old 06-06-2012, 08:20 PM   #33
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Ali's and Patterson's handspeed was signifigantly faster.
Prove it ... I disagree .. to begin with Ali and Patterson had completely different speed ... Patterson was like Tyson, exploding in bursts however rarely keeping a fast , consistent jab moving from the outside through out a fight .. Ali had a fast jab but half the time he slapped with his right or arm punched .. Holmes was lightning from the outside with consistency ..
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:38 PM   #34
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:06 AM   #35
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Very snApping jab. Perhaps the best in HW history. People tend to rate him lower bc he was kind of an uneducated asswipe.... But if you can really be honest you must say thAt he was very quick & very smart.... PerhAps the best example of a fighter who worked hArd & utilized all of his talent.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:31 AM   #36
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Larry had very fast hands for someone his size.But Michael Dokes and Greg Page could be said to be faster, especially Dokes, who did have that ,oh wow, factor.
Dokes had faster combo's than Holmes, but also lesser power.....

Page had good tools and skills up til around 1985, but then he went to hell in a hand bag...

Holmes ranks supreme in an over all sense.....

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Old 06-07-2012, 02:11 PM   #37
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Prove it ... I disagree .. to begin with Ali and Patterson had completely different speed ... Patterson was like Tyson, exploding in bursts however rarely keeping a fast , consistent jab moving from the outside through out a fight .. Ali had a fast jab but half the time he slapped with his right or arm punched .. Holmes was lightning from the outside with consistency ..

Ali also threw lightning fast combinations.
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:32 PM   #38
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Yes....I always thought that.....much faster than any other big man in history of boxing....
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:53 PM   #39
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Larry's left jab,,,,superior to anyone in quickness, accuracy and power combined.

Fastest hands,,,,the short-armed Michael Dokes.

Floyd Patterson was not as fast as Michael Dokes.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:44 PM   #40
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Of course he had fast hands. To suggest otherwise is nonsense
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:34 PM   #41
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Prove it ... I disagree .. to begin with Ali and Patterson had completely different speed ... Patterson was like Tyson, exploding in bursts however rarely keeping a fast , consistent jab moving from the outside through out a fight .. Ali had a fast jab but half the time he slapped with his right or arm punched .. Holmes was lightning from the outside with consistency ..
Wrong.

Holmes was "lightning"??? Hardly.

Holmes was a terrific hard jabber but an awkward right-handed puncher who sort of half arm-punched/half-clubbed with his right but rarely hit somebody with a snapping right to drop them. It was embarrassing that he couldn't drop the much smaller and frailer Michael Spinks in either fight, despite his age (he was still champ in the first one), and Holmes used his "clubbing" right all night both times. Whereas Ali could drop people with his right and did so numerous times.

To say Ali slapped, but Holmes didn't, is getting it backwards. Watch Ali-Williams for the best example, but by far not the only example, of correct combination punching.

Holmes had a hard, fast left jab, but no way is the fastest or best at anything technically. Nonetheless, he was a great champion and fine all-around fighter. But the more gifted men were Ali, Patterson, Tyson, Dokes, Louis . . . Holmes wasn't the best heavyweight at ANYTHING, including the jab. His jab was top-5 historically. Overall, his combination of skills and heart made him a great fighter nonetheless.
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Wrong.

Holmes was "lightning"??? Hardly.

Holmes was a terrific hard jabber but an awkward right-handed puncher who sort of half arm-punched/half-clubbed with his right but rarely hit somebody with a snapping right to drop them. It was embarrassing that he couldn't drop the much smaller and frailer Michael Spinks in either fight, despite his age (he was still champ in the first one), and Holmes used his "clubbing" right all night both times. Whereas Ali could drop people with his right and did so numerous times.

To say Ali slapped, but Holmes didn't, is getting it backwards. Watch Ali-Williams for the best example, but by far not the only example, of correct combination punching.

Holmes had a hard, fast left jab, but no way is the fastest or best at anything technically. Nonetheless, he was a great champion and fine all-around fighter. But the more gifted men were Ali, Patterson, Tyson, Dokes, Louis . . . Holmes wasn't the best heavyweight at ANYTHING, including the jab. His jab was top-5 historically. Overall, his combination of skills and heart made him a great fighter nonetheless.
I wouldnt say Dokes was more gifted
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:16 AM   #43
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Holmes sharp and crisp punching is what always impressed me the most with him.He had pretty decent workrate in his prime but he rarely wasted any of his punches.Loved the way he systematically broke down Ossie Ocasio.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:53 AM   #44
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Would have nice to watch Holmes against some of Ali's 70's comp. He was supposed to fight Lyle in early 78' but Ronnie ended up getting locked up for the murder of his then manager.

Lyle eventually beat the charge which you can read all about in his excellent auto-biography from 2010 - Against the Ropes.

Nevertheless, Holmes, despite being vastly underrated coming after Ali, could just plain fight! The man had a will or iron and was one mean and even sometimes dirty mofo in there. He kind of looked pear-shaped and didn't have the physique of Norton, Ali, Foreman, etc. But he could fight as well as any of them.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:01 AM   #45
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A must read in Holmes' bio was his 1976 bout with Roy "Tiger" Williams. Williams was big, tough, mean, etc. But also kind of slow and ponderous. Holmes suffered a broken right hand in training. Carl King, you know who's son, gave Larry a pep talk. "Yeah, I know the guy is mean as hell but you can still kick his ass with one hand. Just use the jab Larry."

Holmes had just proposed to his long-time and still to this very day bride Diane. The last thing he felt like doing while being on his honeymoon and holed-up with a broken hand was fighting the ferocious Tiger Williams.

So all the future champ did was win every round of a ten round decision with the use of ONE hand. His legendary left one.
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