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Old 06-03-2012, 12:36 PM   #1
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Found this interesting piece:

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Old 06-03-2012, 12:37 PM   #2
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These guys still fight under the London Prize Ring rules it seems:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0_QEh-KVs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0_QEh-KVs[/ame]
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:54 PM   #3
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Capt John Godfrey's book from 1747, "A Treatise Upon the Useful Science of Defence", mostly about sword-fighting but he talks quit a bit about Boxing & the Boxers of his time:

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If you go down you will find the 2 sections titled BOXING & CHARACTERS of the BOXERS.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:25 PM   #4
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These guys still fight under the London Prize Ring rules it seems:
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That is a very interesting video, but I don't think the people in it are real Romany gypsies. They are Irish Travellers, like Tyson Fury.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:03 PM   #5
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Pretty good Irish Traveller bare knuckle fight, 3 parts:

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Old 06-03-2012, 07:48 PM   #6
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Pretty good Irish Traveller bare knuckle fight, 3 parts:

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That's about the best traveller fight I have seen in respect to technique and ability. And note, they are pretty much using modern gloved boxing techniques here with close and high guard, head movement and modern punching... all of which rebuts the article up top.

And handsome, debonair, sophisticated Joe Joyce gives the proceeding their necessary class.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:40 PM   #7
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That's about the best traveller fight I have seen in respect to technique and ability. And note, they are pretty much using modern gloved boxing techniques here with close and high guard, head movement and modern punching... all of which rebuts the article up top.

And handsome, debonair, sophisticated Joe Joyce gives the proceeding their necessary class.
Well the only problem is they are not really fighting London Prize Ring rules, just MoQ bare knuckle.

I didn't see any throws or other grappling.

Plus there is a difference between guys fighting bare knuckle once in a while vs a pro fighting hundreds of times bare knuckle, the latter will screw up your hands I would imagine.

Put these guys under London Prize Ring rules against the fighters of that era, then we can see what works.

What the author said can be verified by checking the old training manuals like the one written by Daniel Mendoza (HW champ 1794) entitled "The Art of Boxing". Mendoza was beaten to pulp by John Jackson by grabbing his hair to keep him still in 1795.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:37 PM   #8
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Well the only problem is they are not really fighting London Prize Ring rules, just MoQ bare knuckle.

I didn't see any throws or other grappling.

Plus there is a difference between guys fighting bare knuckle once in a while vs a pro fighting hundreds of times bare knuckle, the latter will screw up your hands I would imagine.
Agreed mostly, but the grappling and throws don't change the punching guard. These guys have boxing training and are using it. Perhaps they would be better using the old-timey techniques? That's debatable.

Very interesting article, though.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:00 PM   #9
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Agreed mostly, but the grappling and throws don't change the punching guard. These guys have boxing training and are using it. Perhaps they would be better using the old-timey techniques? That's debatable.

Very interesting article, though.
I think modern techniques can work under the old rules but is it the best?

I don't know about that, because when you change the rules & bring in gloves the fighters would have had to adjust to the new conditions not to mention other changes like time limits etc.

The old techniques must have been refined over the years by trial & error for what worked best under those rules, then they were lost over the years because who really fights under London Prize Ring rules anymore or trains Boxing exclusively for self defense when we have guns. So even guys who take part in bare knuckle fights just use modern techniques I would imagine.

We can't be sure either way because no one really practices techniques from bare knuckle days anymore for a prizefight, and the only way to find out is to match up guys with good grasp of the old techniques vs guys who fight "modern" under London Prize Ring rules.

I tend to favor the older techniques though for bare knuckle just like I favor today's Boxers if it was a gloved Boxing match under MoQ.
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Interesting thread by the way. It's well worded bias, but does highlight some interesting things.
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That's about the best traveller fight I have seen in respect to technique and ability. And note, they are pretty much using modern gloved boxing techniques here with close and high guard, head movement and modern punching... all of which rebuts the article up top.
A while back someone else posted this video elsewhere, and said that the taller guy was an amateur boxer, or former amateur boxer. Don't know how true that is, but that's what the poster said.
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A while back someone else posted this video elsewhere, and said that the taller guy was an amateur boxer, or former amateur boxer. Don't know how true that is, but that's what the poster said.


His technique is good. He was in complete control from the beginning. Looks like he tried the pros, 1-1:

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What is that white thing he has hanging from his shirt?

They used multiple referees, and it worked OK.

The man in the 1995 King of The Gypsies film died in 2002. Half of Irish Travelers don't live to age 39.
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