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Old 06-04-2012, 01:23 PM   #31
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Acelino Freitas as well.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:13 PM   #32
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Antonio Cervantes

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Old 06-04-2012, 02:27 PM   #33
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Cervantes is what kalule would have lookd like with the physical advantages and hardiness of Monzon, but no finesse.

He's one of those fighters who sort of veers between precision and unorthodox slop round by round.His speed varies as much fight by fight as anyone i've ever watched as well.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:31 PM   #34
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Cervantes is what kalule would have lookd like with the physical advantages and hardiness of Monzon, but no finesse.

He's one of those fighters who sort of veers between precision and unorthodox slop round by round.His speed varies as much fight by fight as anyone i've ever watched as well.
Imagine a fight between the cool, precision punching of the flat-footed Arguello against the unorthodox, all over the place, precision counters of Cervantes.

To top it off, both had stamina, KO power, and very sturdy chins.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:51 PM   #35
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Who are the most notable fighters in this respect...the fighters who were very effective outside of the textbook norm, or who often made unusual punchpicking choices

Joe Calzaghe is an obvious recent example.

Jones jr with his emphasis on left-hooking, often leaping in or thrown from odd angles.Largely dispensing with a jab.

Galindez and Azumah Nelson favouring of punching in bunches with very telegraphed wide powershots, when they were quite capable of throwing straighter and more precisely.

Marciano, Roldan, Mugabi, Moon....fighters who's offensive output mostly consisted of accurate clubbing bombs with all their bodyweight behind nearly every shot.

Jung-Koo Chang and Pryor for clubbing sloppy, odd angled volume punching.

Doug DeWitt and Marvin Johnson for really unusual combination punching choices.

Erik Morales and Chris Eubank for boxer-punchers that varied widely from fight to fight in terms of sharp textbook precision and pure slop.Or even from round to round.

Who else did you find to have unusual punching approaches?.
Can you give me any examples of Morales please? I've seen his whole career set and don't recall this offhand. I'm not the most observant of course
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:58 PM   #36
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You'll see him pushing and looping his jab and right\falling in after them, overextending throwing off-balance odd angled rights etc in most of his fights Philly.Usually when he starts trading and going to war.cuffs and slaps with the hook as well.

Of course it's mixed in with a lot of properly delivered straight shots and clean uppercuts and isn't necessarily meant as a criticism of him as he was effective with it, but he's not a tidy fighter imo.More of a hybrid.
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Can you give me any examples of Morales please? I've seen his whole career set and don't recall this offhand. I'm not the most observant of course

For me Morales could qualify just because his balance could be bad as he over-reached with his shots at times.

Granted, he was young and relatively inexperienced then, but snippets of the Zaragoza fight show it, as do many instances throughout Barrera I.

Again, especially with the Barrera example, it's perhaps more appropriate to give credit to the guys making him lunge and go off-balance. Still, he took the bait.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:59 PM   #38
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You'll see him pushing and looping his jab and right\falling in after them, overextending throwing off-balance odd angled rights etc in most of his fights Philly.Usually when he starts trading and going to war.cuffs and slaps with the hook as well.

Of course it's mixed in with a lot of properly delivered straight shots and clean uppercuts and isn't necessarily meant as a criticism of him as he was effective with it, but he's not a tidy fighter imo.More of a hybrid.

Yeah, what he said.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:21 PM   #39
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Timothy Bradley is the first name that springs to mind that hasn't been mentioned yet. Maybe that's because he hasn't proven to be of the great/very good variety, but I'd still throw him in since his contemporaries Froch, Montiel and Darchinyan have been included. I think Bradley's technique is often very poor, just sloppy clubbing punching where proximity, volume, and bad intentions make up for a dire lack of precision, technique, and power. He is effective but technically bad, much like Joe Calzaghe.
The way I've been looking at them, I consider Bradley a very good fighter, with a shot at greatness soon. Unifying major titles twice, taking 0's three times in a row in two divisions and setting himself apart from a division full of "good" solid fighters. A division very deep in good fighters, Kotelnik, Peterson, Khan, Alexander, Holt, Judah, Maidana, I feel Bradley set himself apart from them, really. He can adjust, fight well at different ranges, has the mental and physical fortitude to go along with it. I've grown pretty fond of thinking of him as a notch above good. I'm very interested to see how he fares with Pac and deals with his biggest shot to date, but, more importantly, I am grossly offended and intensely disturbed by your current lack of an avatar.
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Old 06-07-2012, 10:01 AM   #40
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The greatest unorthodox uncrowned champ...

HEROL GRAHAM

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btw... this is a great fight!
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:35 AM   #41
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Gene Fullmer - king of crude. He actually had no style. His jab was like a swipe, but if you got into a clinch with him you had better hold tight to both arms because if one was free he would be hitting you on the top of the head, the kidneys, etc. For all his faults though, what a fighter!

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I think Fullmer was better than alot of people yesterday and today have given him credit for being.
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Cervantes is what kalule would have lookd like with the physical advantages and hardiness of Monzon, but no finesse.

He's one of those fighters who sort of veers between precision and unorthodox slop round by round.His speed varies as much fight by fight as anyone i've ever watched as well.
This.
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:21 PM   #43
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Cervantes against that japanese fighter (Kadota, not sure if I spelled it right) was incredibly sloppy !
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Old 06-09-2012, 03:29 AM   #44
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Thanks Lora your very insightful boxing Don!!!!
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Old 06-09-2012, 04:27 AM   #45
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carlos palomino threw every punch real well, except for his straight right. he waved that one, didn't fire it from the shoulder.
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