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Old 06-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #16
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Haye KO3. There's a massive gulf in talent I think people are forgetting.
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Old 06-09-2012, 09:05 PM   #17
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Haye is the most talented British fighter amateur or pro.

Money talks..
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:03 PM   #18
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Stopped reading here. Chisora's style is a nightmare for Haye, not the other way round.
Chisora hasn't got a style other than lumbering forward in straight lines and throwing hooks which wouldn't take the skin off a rice pudding. I've got an 8 year old daughter with better footwork
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Old 06-09-2012, 10:04 PM   #19
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Haye couldn't even stop Chisora with a glass bottle. He has no chance with gloves on his hands.
So it must have been another fat Zimbabwean picking himself up, wondering where the **** he was at the post fight presser
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Old 06-09-2012, 11:12 PM   #20
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People are ****ing retarded if they think Chisora can beat Haye.

I like both fighters, but its all wrong for Chisora. The question is whether or not Chisora will be stopped or not. There is no other question regarding this fight..
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:24 AM   #21
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The first thing Chisora needs to understand is that he cant walk in the front door against Haye. John Ruiz tried that and got blasted out of there. He's either gonna have to use the jab to put Haye onto his heels, or he's gonna have to to stalk him (trap him)into an area of the ring where he can bang him. He could roll inside but....
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:55 AM   #22
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Stopped reading here. Chisora's style is a nightmare for Haye, not the other way round.
Im glad you find reason for hope.

an inside fighter is only a nightmare for Haye if he has the footspeed to get inside on Haye, since he plods forward in straight lines he will be unable to get inside, since he has nothing to offer on the outside his "style" is ****ed
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:50 AM   #23
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The small ring gives chisora a better chance
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:51 AM   #24
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Apart from all the styles stuff & each mans strengths & weaknesses- you also have to factor in the mental stuff.

Chisora is young for a heavy, improving by the fight & is hungry as hell. He seems to just be realising his potential, & coming into his prime.

Haye on the other hand? He seems only to be back cos hes missing the limelight. The man has said on numerous occasions he planned to be out of the business by now- but another big paycheque & a chance to be centre of attention has lured him back, like it lures most boxers back.

Chisora has a point to prove, chasing the elusive big win thats going to make him while Hayes ego has dragged him back where he really doesnt want to be anymore, inside a boxing ring.

It has to count for something, doesnt it?
You are really missing the point, so you are saying chisora has more mental toughness than haye? So haye has gone to where he is today without being mentally tough? Delboy is a good european level fighter that is all.

Missing the limelight? That is your only your opinion and I think that is very wide off the mark. Haye is still in his prime, sees this as an easy pay day and a warm up fight to fighting one of the Klits again. Delboy will not have the speed nor the footwork to get inside haye, he will eat some big hayemakers and will get stopped.
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It's all in the styles.


Secondly you have to consider what Helenius and Vitali represent. Both are

Chisora however was proficiant enough at inside fighting to come inside on both men at times where he did some decent work.

Comparing those performances to the Fury one, people say the difference was "weight", now to an extent it's possible, but I offer an alternate theory. The difference, was Fury.

Fury is not typical of these tall, range fighters. He is actually deceptivley nimble, and also proficiant on the inside, negating the advantages Chisora showed against Helenius and Vitali.

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That's the thing I notice straight away whenever i watch that fight.. fury was beating chisora on the inside and was happy to stay on the inside and just use his strength to overpower chisora
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:11 AM   #26
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People seem to ignore the fact that Haye's never faced a decent heavyweight under 36 years of age.
And Valuev has a biological age of about 68.

Chisora is a decent 'young' 'live' heavyweight, about 29 years old.
Haye's never beat anyone remotely in that category.
He has feasted on has-beens.

Why do people ignore that fact ?
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People seem to ignore the fact that Haye's never faced a decent heavyweight under 36 years of age.
And Valuev has a biological age of about 68.

Chisora is a decent 'young' 'live' heavyweight, about 29 years old.
Haye's never beat anyone remotely in that category.
He has feasted on has-beens.

Why do people ignore that fact ?
1976-03-25 Vlad's birth date, which makes him 35 years old when he beat haye last july. He is the best heavyweight right now. Much bigger and better attributes than chisora I think you would agree with me?

I only give chisora a puncher's chance.
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:55 AM   #28
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I have one question, Where does haye run in this tiny little ring haha? if he can hurt chisora early he will win, but if he hits chisora and chisora keeps on comming forward i see a ko for chisora, hayes been koed by a lesser fighter.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:06 AM   #29
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In short: Chisora ain't very good.
He aint but then Haye isnt either.Chisora can take a good shot and could start getting in the fight after 3or 4 rounds against a guy who does the same thing over and over again like Haye.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:07 AM   #30
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Haye KO3. There's a massive gulf in talent I think people are forgetting.

marciano had no tellent, but he beat 4 of the most gifted talent wise from the latye 40's / early 50's. hayes been put out by lesser punchers, its just a cruiser weight vs a heavyweight, if chisora can take hayes punch early on and he doesnt get hurt he will just come on strongly, the ring is tiny so that will hinder haye, who could chisora get in to mimick haye? thats the question where as haye can get 10-20 fighters to come in and mimick chisora.
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