The reason Chisora loses BADLY to Haye

[p.Townend]

Originally Posted by bruthead

In short: Chisora ain't very good.

He aint but then Haye isnt either.Chisora can take a good shot and could start getting in the fight after 3or 4 rounds against a guy who does the same thing over and over again like Haye.

[luke]

Originally Posted by hit me HARDER

Haye KO3. There's a massive gulf in talent I think people are forgetting.

marciano had no tellent, but he beat 4 of the most gifted talent wise from the latye 40's / early 50's. hayes been put out by lesser punchers, its just a cruiser weight vs a heavyweight, if chisora can take hayes punch early on and he doesnt get hurt he will just come on strongly, the ring is tiny so that will hinder haye, who could chisora get in to mimick haye? thats the question where as haye can get 10-20 fighters to come in and mimick chisora.

[matt007]

Originally Posted by luke

I have one question, Where does haye run in this tiny little ring haha? if he can hurt chisora early he will win, but if he hits chisora and chisora keeps on comming forward i see a ko for chisora, hayes been koed by a lesser fighter.

A smaller ring will help chisora a bit, but haye has the footwork to evade him and the power to put him at bay. Do you think if haye connects with enough shots like he did against ruiz, will delboy still be stalking him?

When haye lost to thompson he was a bit inexperience, he has learnt that he cannot simply go out and blast people out in the first half of the fight. He is better now and more calculated with his shots, which is probably the reason he doesn't have a high workrate, cant afford to gassed himself out so lesson learnt.

This is a very one sided fight, if chisora proves me wrong then all props to him. We will just have to watch and see on 14 july.

[ollyc]

Originally Posted by Legend X

People seem to ignore the fact that Haye's never faced a decent heavyweight under 36 years of age.
And Valuev has a biological age of about 68.

Chisora is a decent 'young' 'live' heavyweight, about 29 years old.
Haye's never beat anyone remotely in that category.
He has feasted on has-beens.

Why do people ignore that fact ?

And Chisora has beaten who exactly?

[Legend X]

Originally Posted by matt007

1976-03-25 Vlad's birth date, which makes him 35 years old when he beat haye last july. He is the best heavyweight right now. Much bigger and better attributes than chisora I think you would agree with me?

I agree. But Haye proved nothing against Wladimir, he just backed away all night and lost by a wide margin.

[Legend X]

Originally Posted by ollyc

And Chisora has beaten who exactly?

Chisora's done nothing great either. But that's not the point. No one is pretending that Chisora's has beaten any David Hayes.

But people are saying "Haye beats guys like Chisora easily" and stuff like that, but Haye has never fought any heavyweights in Chisora's category.
Guys like Valuev and Ruiz were tired old fighters, Barrett was past it and just not much good, Harrison was both very crap and very old.

Chisora's actually a half-decent young heavyweight who looked quite fresh and improving against contender Helenius and a champion Vitali within the last 7 or 8 months !
That's a completely different proposition to going against guys like Ruiz or Valuev who were old and inactive fighters on their way down.

There's a big difference between beating a young hungry improving fighter - even if he's nothing special - and beating a guy that's been around the block loads of times and is on his way out.

[luke]

Originally Posted by matt007

A smaller ring will help chisora a bit, but haye has the footwork to evade him and the power to put him at bay. Do you think if haye connects with enough shots like he did against ruiz, will delboy still be stalking him?

When haye lost to thompson he was a bit inexperience, he has learnt that he cannot simply go out and blast people out in the first half of the fight. He is better now and more calculated with his shots, which is probably the reason he doesn't have a high workrate, cant afford to gassed himself out so lesson learnt.

This is a very one sided fight, if chisora proves me wrong then all props to him. We will just have to watch and see on 14 july.

ruiz was a 40 year old who didnt have a very good chin, didnt rahman and golota put him down? and we all know tua ktf out of him, i think the fact that chisora hates haye as much as he does will keep him around, also I THINK THE WHOLE FIGHT HANGS ON IF CHISORA CAN TAKE HAYES POWER. if he can take hayes shot and walk through it i think chisora will win if he cant haye will, i still think its a long shot if haye kos chisora but you never know all it takes is one good shot, esp at heavyweight. roll on july 14, i'll be in sunny ibiza watching it in a bar haha!

[Dunky McCafferty]

Originally Posted by matt007

You are really missing the point, so you are saying chisora has more mental toughness than haye? So haye has gone to where he is today without being mentally tough? Delboy is a good european level fighter that is all.

Missing the limelight? That is your only your opinion and I think that is very wide off the mark. Haye is still in his prime, sees this as an easy pay day and a warm up fight to fighting one of the Klits again. Delboy will not have the speed nor the footwork to get inside haye, he will eat some big hayemakers and will get stopped.

Maybe he is in his prime to us... BUT! In Hayes mind he didnt want to be still fighting at this point, he always went on about it. So now hes coming back against his own better judgement... he either needs the money(I doubt it) or he misses the limelight(I suspect)

An easy warm up for the Klits? That doesnt wash with me Im afraid, as Hayes intention was to be out of boxing by this point. Haye is doing what he said he never would, & coming back, AND fighting a guy who he says doesnt deserve to be in the same ring as him.

It all points to a man who is back for the wrong reasons... against a guy who is out to make a name for himself! Take from that what you will my friend

[Phill-Mitchell]

Originally Posted by luke

ruiz was a 40 year old who didnt have a very good chin, didnt rahman and golota put him down? and we all know tua ktf out of him, i think the fact that chisora hates haye as much as he does will keep him around, also I THINK THE WHOLE FIGHT HANGS ON IF CHISORA CAN TAKE HAYES POWER. if he can take hayes shot and walk through it i think chisora will win if he cant haye will, i still think its a long shot if haye kos chisora but you never know all it takes is one good shot, esp at heavyweight. roll on july 14, i'll be in sunny ibiza watching it in a bar haha!

oh good lord.

[dftaylor]

This place has gone downhill. All these idiots who think Chisora won't get battered.

[matt007]

Originally Posted by Legend X

I agree. But Haye proved nothing against Wladimir, he just backed away all night and lost by a wide margin.

The biggest skilled and best heavyweight cannot pin him down and take him out, so you think chisora can do better and KO him?

[BoxerGaz]

Haye will beat Chisora no problem. But after i saw Chisora performance against vitali and Heli i think he will take some punishment and last a while. either way should be an ok fight. I wonder how many people would be interested in this fight before the shit hit the fan in Munich.

Im just going to watch this one from home.

G

[Cut Me Mick]

Chisora is a hungry, fearless and young heavyweight.

Has Haye ever faced one of them before?

[matt007]

Originally Posted by Cut Me Mick

Chisora is a hungry, fearless and young heavyweight.

Has Haye ever faced one of them before?

Has delboy faced anyone like haye? Doesn't really means much for haye, he is about 2 levels above chisora, most can see that so dont delude yourself. However you can get odds of 5/1 for chisora to stop haye so put your money on that if you really believe delboy can do it.

[Geoffers]

Originally Posted by luke

... hayes been koed by a lesser fighter.

No he hasn't. Carl Thompson was a World Champion and if you think he's "lesser" than Del Boy then you need to get a sense of perspective.

Also, if you rewatch the Thompson-Haye fight you'll clearly see that Haye gassed after battering Thompson round the ring. Nobody would have complained if that had been stopped in the first round with a TKO win for Haye.

Thompson < Chisora ...