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Old 06-10-2012, 05:34 PM   #16
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I think people overstate the whole buying off judges thing. I honestly don't know what to think of what happened. Its a little out there to say Arum set all this up, with there being so many factors that need to be involved for that to happen...something strange is going on, but we shouldn't leap to the conclusion that Arum is behind this.

Btw, John G, what was your scorecard?
I had Pac winning nine rounds, at worst, MH
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:35 PM   #17
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Arum is an smart ass when it comes to making $$$.
Las Vegas is always the winner.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:38 PM   #18
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I think people overstate the whole buying off judges thing. I honestly don't know what to think of what happened. Its a little out there to say Arum set all this up, with there being so many factors that need to be involved for that to happen...something strange is going on, but we shouldn't leap to the conclusion that Arum is behind this.

Btw, John G, what was your scorecard?
This whole planet is bullshit my friend . They fight bogus wars in the name of profit . Do you honisly think its so hard to fix a fight ?
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:39 PM   #19
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Yes, I was, S. It was a long silent drive back to L.A., 'n Pac got the nod that night. Can only cringe at what the drive back must be like today.
Mind if I ask your opinion on the whole 'Pacquaio was un focused because he was issued with divorce papers' thing?
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:40 PM   #20
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This whole planet is bullshit my friend . They fight bogus wars in the name of profit . Do you honisly think its so hard to fix a fight ?
I don't think it is as easy as people make it out to be. This isn't the 1940s. It can be done, no doubt, but that shouldn't be the first conclusion people come to after a bad decision.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:46 PM   #21
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I don't think it is as easy as people make it out to be. This isn't the 1940s. It can be done, no doubt, but that shouldn't be the first conclusion people come to after a bad decision.
I hate to break it to you but its just as easy now as it ever was . people will shut up when threatened or bought off like they always were . And as easy as it is to expose fraud it"s equaly as easy to brand the exposers as conspiracy nuts . it works both ways . Money was stolen last night from betters to fight buyers . This wasn"t an honist product .
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:47 PM   #22
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Arum'll make a fortune with the already-signed Pac-Bradley II, 'n no longer have to take heat for avoiding Mayweather.

It's win-win for him -- worthy of Don Corleone

I think Arum wins whatever happens.

What is it Charlie Sheen used to say "I'm winning, I'm Bi-winning"

I was watching the fight again today with a boxing mate of mine, and noticed Arum ****ing creaming over Bradley when the scores were read out.

I don't do conspiracy theories as most of the time it's just BS.

I do think Arum took a calculated risk knowing he has options whatever the conclusion of the fight was.

This is the way business works, it's not about loyalty it's about opportunity.

I must say this objectively, Bradley lacks the dynamics to be a big draw, he is a decent guy but he is not in the talent bracket of Mayweather or the explosive power of Pac.

Pac still has a little mileage left, he will need to beat Bradley in a good manner in order to set up the UBER fight with Floyd.

I think as a boxing fan that fight should have happened 3-4 years ago.

I reckon Arum went to sleep last night with a nice warm glow in his tummy, the cunt.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:49 PM   #23
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it was a great show promoted well with good theme song

good fight too pity the judges ripped pac but arum did an excellent job

stop hating on a man that makes money you welfare receipents !
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:51 PM   #24
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This whole planet is bullshit my friend . They fight bogus wars in the name of profit . Do you honisly think its so hard to fix a fight ?
From the '30s to the '50s, it was easy to fix a fight. Jim Norris, the front for "the boys' was boxing's 900-pound-gorilla.

Now, it's more subtle. Top Rank generates a king's ransom in Vegas. The powers that be would be less than human if their judgement wasn't colored by that.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:54 PM   #25
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it was a great show promoted well with good theme song

good fight too pity the judges ripped pac but arum did an excellent job

stop hating on a man that makes money you welfare receipents !
I'd have to earn more money to be a welfare recipient, d
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:57 PM   #27
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Mind if I ask your opinion on the whole 'Pacquaio was un focused because he was issued with divorce papers' thing?
Can only speculate, like you, S. Haven't been with team Pac since the Marquez return.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:58 PM   #28
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I hate to break it to you but its just as easy now as it ever was . people will shut up when threatened or bought off like they always were . And as easy as it is to expose fraud it"s equaly as easy to brand the exposers as conspiracy nuts . it works both ways . Money was stolen last night from betters to fight buyers . This wasn"t an honist product .
If you're gonna say the fight was fixed, then you'd have to give to damn good reasons as to why. A lot had to be gained by Pacquiao winning controversially. If your best reason for why Arum would fix the fight is because he wants to keep avoiding FMJ, or he thinks Bradley-Pac II would make more money than Pac-FMJ, then...
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:58 PM   #29
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Pac/Bradley 2> Pac/Bradley 1. Arum just signed and sealed a huge future payday with people in outrage and Pac looking like a victim. Pac is already doing his part talking tough shit about getting a revenge KO. The general public eats this kind of shit up. Bradley is going to play his part. The only thing that can stop this is a full outside investigation into the matter. I bet my left nut Bob Arum will not support this action.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:00 PM   #30
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Even casual/non-boxing fans who just watch the big fights can tell this was a highway robbery and how Bob Arum is rolling in the big bucks for himself. This is pretty much a shot in the knee for the sport of boxing in the eye of the general public.

If it wasn't on life support it is now.
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