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Old 06-14-2012, 02:46 PM   #31
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Sorry man but Jones was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster an had a far better defence.
The speed is the key here as a result Jones would have toyed with Floyd.
sorry man, but Jones' chin wouldn't be able to handle Floyd's power. i dont think he had a better defense and their speed is pretty much equal.
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Old 06-14-2012, 03:32 PM   #32
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Would be interesting Ruiz is tough, Patterson isnt going to blast out a prime Ruiz.

I think the outcome depends on the refferee and if they will let Ruiz get away with his usual tactics.

Patterson was a very small heavyweight so would be interesting to see if Ruiz could hurt him.

If Ruiz cant hurt him then I cant see him outboxing Patterson.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:35 PM   #33
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Floyd was the fastest heavyweight of all time.
Yep.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:22 PM   #34
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Yep.
Floyd perhaps has the most overall speed of the heavyweights if we're talking pound for pound speed. Ali was slightly faster on his feet, but Floyds hands were faster.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:57 PM   #35
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The Quiet Man is so incredibly underrated. Strong, durable, cunning and clever... and a decent right hand to go along with a good inside game.

I think he beats every champ up to Louis, wins 1 out of 3 against Louis, and continues to beat every champ up to Liston... and that includes Patterson.
With all due respect Seamus, you just lost your credibility with me after that post, not to mention my extreme bias against trying to match fighters from different eras.
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:03 PM   #36
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Sorry man but Jones was waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster an had a far better defence.
The speed is the key here as a result Jones would have toyed with Floyd.
Sorry Jon, but Jones hasn't the power to 'toy' with Floyd. I can argue a pvp all-time ranking but...don't attempt your HW Floyd vs. HW RJJ scrap nonsense.
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:38 PM   #37
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Floyd had heart, but a china chin.

He doesn't have the footwork to do the job RJJ did -- just leaps in wide open with punches.

Fastest heavyweight ever? Please.

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Old 06-14-2012, 08:39 PM   #38
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Floyd had heart, but a china chin.

He doesn't have the footwork to do the job Floyd did -- just leaps in wide open with punches.

Fastest heavyweight ever? Please.
How can Floyd not have the footwork to do the job Floyd did
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:46 PM   #39
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I used to underestimate Patterson but over time have come to appreciate his ability. Ruiz would be somewhat troublesome due to his style but Floyd would eventually get to him and either stop him or pull out the decision. Ruiz didn't have the kind of power that could tilt the fight in his favor more decisively and without it Patterson has the edge in just about every category. I'll take Patterson by UD.
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Old 06-14-2012, 08:46 PM   #40
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Patterson had quick hands and can do what Roy Jones did but Floyd hit harder as a heavyweight....Ruiz could make it ugly at times but Floyds fast hands take the nod
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Old 06-14-2012, 09:25 PM   #41
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How can Floyd not have the footwork to do the job Floyd did
Fixed.

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Old 06-14-2012, 10:36 PM   #42
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With all due respect Seamus, you just lost your credibility with me after that post, not to mention my extreme bias against trying to match fighters from different eras.
Please, if there is anything I can do to earn back my credibility with you, please pm me. Immediately.

I will not sleep tonight.
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:27 AM   #43
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How can Floyd not have the footwork to do the job Floyd did
I think he meant to say that Floyd couldn't do the boxing job to Ruiz that Jones Jr did. I don't agree because Patterson moving in and out with his, crouch, peakaboo and leaping left was dangerous.

I don't entirely understand the notion of calling Patterson weak chinned but I do agree that his beard is not in the caliber of a Chuvalo, Marciano or Foreman.

Floyd's been knocked down a plenty in his career and out too, but he was a smaller heavyweight, who naturally grew from middleweight size. The force weight punches of Liston, Foreman, Shavers, Lyle and to some degree Tyson would knock any solid heavyweight off his feet. Floyd got up off the canvas many times in his career which probably speaks more about his courage and toughness. Not many fighters could Take solid repeated shots from an incensed Ali who sat down on his punches to punish him.
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:47 AM   #44
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Floyd would beat the breaks off of Ruiz
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:38 AM   #45
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Sorry Jon, but Jones hasn't the power to 'toy' with Floyd. I can argue a pvp all-time ranking but...don't attempt your HW Floyd vs. HW RJJ scrap nonsense.

In his prime Jones 'toyed' with Ruiz, toyed with Toney, Hopkins, hell anyone.
Floyd was really a small Cruiserweight.


As much as a liked Floyd I'm not stuck in the past, Jones wide UD or stops him late.
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