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Old 06-11-2012, 11:56 AM   #16
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I don't think when Bradley was in the ring fighting in round 5 he heard the HBO commentary.
He said it in an interview after the fight. Not in his corner, during the fight
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:57 AM   #17
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The last minute of the round is the key. In the first two minutes, Bradley is throwing quite a few punches but nearly all of them are blocked by Pac. Pac isn't throwing much, and when he does he mostly misses. So not much is happening, but Bradley's workrate (and a few light punches) are winning the round for him. In the last minute, Pac suddenly comes alive and starts fighting, and because not much happened before this point, he is able to take the round by landing some decent shots. His punches also look sharper and more powerful than Bradley's, which was the case all night.

If Bradley vs Pac was scored via the amateur system, then the scoring would make more sense. Professional boxing, however, is more about landing quality shots rather than quantity.
this is the correct way to score that round/thread
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:58 AM   #18
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He said it in an interview after the fight. Not in his corner, during the fight
So you as a guy that watched from thousands of miles away on a small TV and/or laptop screen think you know better than the guy that was in the ring throwing and receiving punches?

This poster folks demonstrates why Eastside Boxing is such a dumbshit message board.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:00 PM   #19
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this is the correct way to score that round/thread
Scoring Punch's mean scoring punch's. I agree with ya as well. When will these Judge's and im over it, stop giving fights to fighters who throw more punch's than the opponent. Its seems to be were the sport of boxing and judging a fight is going.

They are rewarding output not contact.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:01 PM   #20
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yea Bradley won that round
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:04 PM   #21
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Scoring Punch's mean scoring punch's. I agree with ya as well. When will these Judge's and im over it, stop giving fights to fighters who throw more punch's than the opponent. Its seems to be were the sport of boxing and judging a fight is going.

They are rewarding output not contact.
Yes.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:06 PM   #22
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So you as a guy that watched from thousands of miles away on a small TV and/or laptop screen think you know better than the guy that was in the ring throwing and receiving punches?

This poster folks demonstrates why Eastside Boxing is such a dumbshit message board.
Oh, I didn't realize you were the referee, or a corner man, or were ringside...dick... as a matter of fact, sometimes I think that us, watching on TV, have a better view of the reality of the situation... we are unbiased? and see things in slow mo, and from multiple angles?

2 of the judges that scored the fight for Bradley also gave him round 5. They were ringside.

Bradley thinks he won the fight. So he and I are in agreement. He was in the ring. You were not.
I was just commenting on why ppl gave Pac round 5. Which I didn't. And neither did 2 judges
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:16 PM   #23
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Scoring Punch's mean scoring punch's. I agree with ya as well. When will these Judge's and im over it, stop giving fights to fighters who throw more punch's than the opponent. Its seems to be were the sport of boxing and judging a fight is going.

They are rewarding output not contact.
the thing is, they cant even be rewarding output, considering that manny outlanded him in total punches, power punches, and jabs, not to mention landing at a higher percentage as well. ROBBERY. there's no basis whatsoever for rewarding bradley any more than two rounds, let alone the ****ing win.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:21 PM   #24
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the thing is, they cant even be rewarding output, considering that manny outlanded him in total punches, power punches, and jabs, not to mention landing at a higher percentage as well. ROBBERY. there's no basis whatsoever for rewarding bradley any more than two rounds, let alone the ****ing win.
Well judges see punches thrown, sometimes in live action, from their immobile seat on one side of the ring, it's tough to see what lands cleanly and what doesn't..
Workrate pays off- you throw 50 punches, and land about half of them... or you throw 30 punches and land 25 of them... to a judge watching live action, maybe the one who threw 50 punches, might have landed more too... to the naked eye
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the thing is, they cant even be rewarding output, considering that manny outlanded him in total punches, power punches, and jabs, not to mention landing at a higher percentage as well. ROBBERY. there's no basis whatsoever for rewarding bradley any more than two rounds, let alone the ****ing win.
I agree when you get hit by your opponent 80 more times by Power shots that were effective scoring shots and you are clearly hurt 3 times in the fight.

You shouldnt be rewarded because of how brave or how many you threw.
agree it was far worse than the Pac vs JMM fights. Because all of them were close.

Like i have said if expert Boxing writers and people that have more knowledge than us are scoring the fight 118-110 to Pac yet 2 70 year old ring side judges who probably both wear glass's score it 115-113 at ringside for Bradley there is something bigger at work.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:23 PM   #26
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pacquiao won round 5 clearly
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:23 PM   #27
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Well judges see punches thrown, sometimes in live action, from their immobile seat on one side of the ring, it's tough to see what lands cleanly and what doesn't..
Workrate pays off- you throw 50 punches, and land about half of them... or you throw 30 punches and land 25 of them... to a judge watching live action, maybe the one who threw 50 punches, might have landed more too... to the naked eye
cool story bro....tell it again. I cant take you seriously. you think bradley beat pacquiao.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:26 PM   #28
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Like i have said if expert Boxing writers and people that have more knowledge than us are scoring the fight 118-110 to Pac yet 2 70 year old ring side judges who probably both wear glass's score it 115-113 at ringside for Bradley there is something bigger at work.
yup...senility or the fix. one of the two
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The last minute of the round is the key. In the first two minutes, Bradley is throwing quite a few punches but nearly all of them are blocked by Pac. Pac isn't throwing much, and when he does he mostly misses. So not much is happening, but Bradley's workrate (and a few light punches) are winning the round for him. In the last minute, Pac suddenly comes alive and starts fighting, and because not much happened before this point, he is able to take the round by landing some decent shots. His punches also look sharper and more powerful than Bradley's, which was the case all night.

If Bradley vs Pac was scored via the amateur system, then the scoring would make more sense. Professional boxing, however, is more about landing quality shots rather than quantity.
If this was amateur scoring Bradley would have less than 5 points during the whole 12 rounds. The quality of Bradleys punches is horrible, measuring the range with jab to Pacquiaos gloves all night.
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:43 PM   #30
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Bradley won the round, Pac landed one clean punch the whole round while making Bradley look like Pernell Whitaker in the last minute.
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