Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer?

rekcutnevets · 07-03-2007, 10:37 PM

What if???

What if Evander Holyfield got the chance to challenge for Maskaev's title, and won? It is not a crazy thought. Oleg fights like a big, less talented, Kostya Tszyu. That style seems in the realm of concurring for the old man. Would any of you give him the same credit Foreman got over Moorer?

I wouldn't. I believe that when Moorer beat Holyfield, which was debatable, that Moorer was recognized as the top fighter in the division. Much like Klitschko is now. Holyfield would have to face Wlad, in order to find a similarity status wise. If Holyfield were able to beat Wladimir, then I think that would top big George's Moorer victory. That would be highly unlikely, and it is just too dangerous a fight for Evander to take.

Bad_Intentions · 07-03-2007, 10:39 PM

maskaev would win an UD.

rekcutnevets · 07-03-2007, 10:42 PM

Thanks for replying, Bad_Intentions. Maskaev might win, that is not what I am asking.

I want to know if an Evander win would be considered a major accomplishment, much like Foreman's was.

Bad_Intentions · 07-03-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

Thanks for replying, Bad_Intentions. Maskaev might win, that is not what I am asking.

I want to know if an Evander win would be considered a major accomplishment, much like Foreman's was.

maskaev is one of the best boxers in this era, so i would say it will be considered it a major accomplishment if holyfield beats him. especially at his age (44)

ps - im sorry i didnt read your post complete, i thought it was a fantasy fight lol

Marciano Frazier · 07-04-2007, 01:25 AM

No. Moorer was the legitimate, linear world heavyweight champion and a better fighter than Maskaev. Maskaev is only a paper titlist. Foreman's accomplishment was easily better than Holyfield merely beating Maskaev would be.

But if you're asking whether it would be important in general, then absolutely. Beating one of the best fighters in the division while you yourself are over a decade past your peak is a huge accomplishment.

Senya13 · 07-04-2007, 01:34 AM

Foreman carefully picked the weakest possible opponents for himself. Moorer was the top of this way of climbing up to get a title. If Holyfields wins the title again, it will be as important.

hopkinsfan07 · 07-04-2007, 01:36 AM

wlads chin leaves window open for anyone

TBooze · 07-04-2007, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Senya13

Foreman carefully picked the weakest possible opponents for himself. Moorer was the top of this way of climbing up to get a title. If Holyfields wins the title again, it will be as important.

Foreman's punch was arguably the last great moment in boxing, Holyfield/Masakev pales in comparison, unless Masakev walks into the ring as Heavyweight Champion of the World.

Senya13 · 07-04-2007, 02:49 AM

Foreman's way to the top was a disgrace, not a great moment in boxing. And I mean both times, the first and the second careers.

TBooze · 07-04-2007, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Senya13

Foreman's way to the top was a disgrace, not a great moment in boxing. And I mean both times, the first and the second careers.

Does not matter how you got there (personally I would call it smart), but there is no doubting the Frazier championship win was awesome and the Moorer punch was simply amazing and the last time I saw a non British boxing story on the front page of a paper.

Holmes' Jab · 07-04-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Marciano Frazier

No. Moorer was the legitimate, linear world heavyweight champion and a better fighter than Maskaev. Maskaev is only a paper titlist. Foreman's accomplishment was easily better than Holyfield merely beating Maskaev would be.

But if you're asking whether it would be important in general, then absolutely. Beating one of the best fighters in the division while you yourself are over a decade past your peak is a huge accomplishment.

I agree with much of this ...

thunder06 · 07-04-2007, 05:53 AM

no it wouldnt.

quintonjacksonfan · 07-04-2007, 01:37 PM

Moorer was undefeated and got the linear title from beating a young Holyfield

Masquev has a bunch of losses and won the title against a scrub.

There would be no comparison. If Holyfield beats Wlad that's another story

quintonjacksonfan · 07-04-2007, 01:42 PM

Senya is a complete joke. He will do anything to diminish anyone whose career

did not start before 1988. It's funny how you rip on Foreman for winning the title against two

undefeated linear champions but you hold Ruiz in high regard because your lover Roy Jones

beat him. Roy Jones would not make it past 3 rounds with either Fraizer or Moorer

Roy Jones heavyweight claim is the biggest disgrace in the history of the sport

TBooze · 07-04-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by quintonjacksonfan

Michael Moore would knockout Jones within three rounds if they fought prime vs prime at

Heavyweight

Michael Moore eh? I reckon his conditioning would cost him against Jones... but you just know he will have a demon left!

07-03-2007, 10:37 PM	#1
rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,523 vCash: 1000	Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? What if??? What if Evander Holyfield got the chance to challenge for Maskaev's title, and won? It is not a crazy thought. Oleg fights like a big, less talented, Kostya Tszyu. That style seems in the realm of concurring for the old man. Would any of you give him the same credit Foreman got over Moorer? I wouldn't. I believe that when Moorer beat Holyfield, which was debatable, that Moorer was recognized as the top fighter in the division. Much like Klitschko is now. Holyfield would have to face Wlad, in order to find a similarity status wise. If Holyfield were able to beat Wladimir, then I think that would top big George's Moorer victory. That would be highly unlikely, and it is just too dangerous a fight for Evander to take.
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rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,523 vCash: 1000	Re: Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? Thanks for replying, Bad_Intentions. Maskaev might win, that is not what I am asking. I want to know if an Evander win would be considered a major accomplishment, much like Foreman's was.
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Marciano Frazier Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,473 vCash: 1000	Re: Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? No. Moorer was the legitimate, linear world heavyweight champion and a better fighter than Maskaev. Maskaev is only a paper titlist. Foreman's accomplishment was easily better than Holyfield merely beating Maskaev would be. But if you're asking whether it would be important in general, then absolutely. Beating one of the best fighters in the division while you yourself are over a decade past your peak is a huge accomplishment.
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Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,340 vCash: 1210	Re: Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? Foreman carefully picked the weakest possible opponents for himself. Moorer was the top of this way of climbing up to get a title. If Holyfields wins the title again, it will be as important.
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Senya13 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 3,340 vCash: 1210	Re: Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? Foreman's way to the top was a disgrace, not a great moment in boxing. And I mean both times, the first and the second careers.
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quintonjacksonfan Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 322 vCash: 1000	Re: Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? Moorer was undefeated and got the linear title from beating a young Holyfield Masquev has a bunch of losses and won the title against a scrub. There would be no comparison. If Holyfield beats Wlad that's another story
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quintonjacksonfan Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 322 vCash: 1000	Re: Would this be as important as Foreman's victory over Moorer? Senya is a complete joke. He will do anything to diminish anyone whose career did not start before 1988. It's funny how you rip on Foreman for winning the title against two undefeated linear champions but you hold Ruiz in high regard because your lover Roy Jones beat him. Roy Jones would not make it past 3 rounds with either Fraizer or Moorer Roy Jones heavyweight claim is the biggest disgrace in the history of the sport
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