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Old 06-11-2012, 10:39 PM   #1
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Default Did anybody justify Lewis/Holyfield, and Whitaker/Chavez?

I wasn't really following boxing then. . Hell, I was barely alive when Chavez/Whitaker took place. . .

But was there still a handful of people like there is with Pac/Bradley that thought the decision(s) were right?


I just wonder how this decision will be treated in 10, 20 years. . . Will it be remembered as "just another close/controversial" decision? Or a DOWNRIGHT, absolute, highway ****ing robbery, where despite the official records, NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY recgonizes the decision?

Becuase now, you can't find one single poster who will say Lewis, and WHitaker were not CLEAR, CLEAR winners, and it was a robbery of the utmost; the epitome of a "robbery", if you will.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:18 AM   #2
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Bump. . . Any older boxing fans remember?

I know there wasn't the internet to discuss and hear thousands of opinions, but do you remember anybody justifying these fights back then?
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:22 AM   #3
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There have been later discussions on here in wich some fans actually tried to justify the scores. Even earlier big time robberies have their supporters here.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:23 AM   #4
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Lewis Holyfield i remember well.

That caused a massive storm as well just like Brad-Pac, I can't remember any sports writers or "experts" who picked Holyfield, it was universally agreed that Lewis won.

Everyone just thought don king had fixed it (which he probably did)
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:24 AM   #5
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Anyone who tries to justify Lewis/Holyfield doesn't deserve oxygen.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:24 AM   #6
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Well theres always biased fans who think the decisions were fair.

I bet theres a lot of mexican fans who think that decision was fair.

But most thought that both decisions were awful.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:25 AM   #7
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I wasn't really following boxing then. . Hell, I was barely alive when Chavez/Whitaker took place. . .

But was there still a handful of people like there is with Pac/Bradley that thought the decision(s) were right?


I just wonder how this decision will be treated in 10, 20 years. . . Will it be remembered as "just another close/controversial" decision? Or a DOWNRIGHT, absolute, highway ****ing robbery, where despite the official records, NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY recgonizes the decision?

Becuase now, you can't find one single poster who will say Lewis, and WHitaker were not CLEAR, CLEAR winners, and it was a robbery of the utmost; the epitome of a "robbery", if you will.
Coma? Hooked up on life support?
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:33 AM   #9
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Coma? Hooked up on life support?
Nah, guess it was kinda ambiguous like that, though. .

I was just a wee lil chap at the time, knee-high to a grasshopper. . . Living overseas at the time, and completely clueless about pugilism.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:35 AM   #10
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Thanks Peter, Robney, and Young Terror for your responses. . .


I just wonder if Pac/Bradley will STILL be remembered for the robbery that it was, or if eventually it will just fade in time as another "close, but just controversial" decision, where everybody only remembers "Bradley won."
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Not for Lewis-Holy I. Like you I was a kid for Whitaker-Chavez more interested in Gi Joe than boxing

Pac-Bradley I think will fall into the same category as those.

The outcry has been the biggest I remember since Lewis-Holy for a big fight robbery. Even bigger than Tito-De La Hoya, many back then thought Oscar got what he deserved for running those final rounds. There was a big outcry for Pac-JMM III, don't think it was as universal as this one, with major channels and news discussing it

It's one of those robberies so absurd and comical there won't be any real debates on who won, every boxing fan knowing who was behind it, it was that conspicuous.
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Thanks Peter, Robney, and Young Terror for your responses. . .


I just wonder if Pac/Bradley will STILL be remembered for the robbery that it was, or if eventually it will just fade in time as another "close, but just controversial" decision, where everybody only remembers "Bradley won."
In this age we live in, we're people can go online and read articles, forums etc from years ago within a matter of minutes it will probably always get remembered as a robbery i should think
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Not for Lewis-Holy I.

Pac-Bradley I think will fall into the same category as that one and Chavez-Whitaker.

The outcry has been the biggest I remember since Lewis-Holy for a big fight robbery. Even bigger than Tito-De La Hoya, many back then thought Oscar got what he deserved for running those final rounds.

It's one of those robberies so absurd and comical there won't be any real debates on who won, every boxing fan knowing who was behind it, it was that conspicuous.

That's what I think. . .

Oscar/Tito, Oscar/Mosley II have pretty much just faded into "close" decisions, and when discussing legacies, Oscar is not given credit for the wins, and Tito, and Mosley are . . . I'm sure there's a lot of other fights that were controversial at the time, but weren't "THAT BLATANT" to the point of being viewed differently than the "official" outcome 5, 10, 20 years down the road.

Lewis/Holy, and Chavez/Whitaker seem to be the two fights where it's universally accepted the decisions "don't count", and hwen discussing legacies, both WHitaker, and Lewis are given full credit for W's over them.
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If i remember correctly, after DLH-Tito, didn't DLH get a lot of **** from people for basically running for the last few rounds?
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If i remember correctly, after DLH-Tito, didn't DLH get a lot of **** from people for basically running for the last few rounds?
Teddy Atlas exemplified the attitude of many at the time when he said, to the effect, "Oscar won, but he lost his right to complain by the way he ran the last four rounds"
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