Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now?

Duffy · 06-16-2012, 09:13 AM

I think he is and if he's not he certainly will be when he puts Chisora to the sword. Haye right now is on a whole other level above Vitali from a technically point of view. Klitschko can only dream about having Haye's footwork and head movement (ATG elusiveness) that bamboozes opponents.

Haye has the better cv in recent years. Here is their combined top 5 best wins in order.

1. Valuev (beat Holyfied. World champ)
2. Ruiz (beat Holyfied. World champ)
3. Peter (fat plodder)
4. Mormeck (unified World champ)
5. Chisora

joegrundy · 06-16-2012, 09:15 AM

Ruiz isn't better than Peter.

Can't really be bothered to compare there records but Vitali has to be seen as number 2 until he retires or gets beat.

Primadonna Kool · 06-16-2012, 09:21 AM

No....

He should be ranked as Number 3, but there are allot of guys who could be number 3. Why do you try so hard to make the heavyweight division sound easy? It's still the toughest division on the planet, and fair enough there's not many exciting fighters. But in my opinion, it's the toughest division on the planet still technically.

Nobody in the welterweight division, unless their on steriods can ****ing knock anyone out. Look at the state of Manny PAC these days, look at how many power shots Mayweather landed on Cotto. Elite level at welterweight is shit..

For the fact that the heavyweights are the hardest hitting guys on planet, still makes it the most ruthless division.

Duffy · 06-16-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

No....

He should be ranked as Number 3, but there are allot of guys who could be number 3. Why do you try so hard to make the heavyweight division sound easy? It's still the toughest division on the planet, and fair enough there's not many exciting fighters. But in my opinion, it's the toughest division on the planet still technically.

Nobody in the welterweight division, unless their on steriods can ****ing knock anyone out. Look at the state of Manny PAC these days, look at how many power shots Mayweather landed on Cotto. Elite level at welterweight is shit..

For the fact that the heavyweights are the hardest hitting guys in planet, still makes it the most ruthless division.

At HW one punch can change everything.

Primadonna Kool · 06-16-2012, 09:27 AM

People wank over David Price, but if his last 5 fights where..

Monte Barrett
Nikola Valuev
John Ruiz
Audley Harrison
Wladimir Kiltschko

People would be wanking even more.

I hope David Haye, sparks out David Price.

GladiatoR · 06-16-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

People wank over David Price, but if his last 5 fights where..

Monte Barrett
Nikola Valuev
John Ruiz
Audley Harrison
Wladimir Kiltschko

People would be wanking even more.

I hope David Haye, sparks out David Price.

Lets compare a former cruiserweight champion who promised to be the saviour of the heavyweight division to a prospect.

cutthroat22 · 06-16-2012, 09:34 AM

you think the HW division is the toughest division pk? for what reason

I'd say super middle is pretty tough myself, so many 50-50 fights. I don't think its about who has knockout power at all.

BoxingObserver · 06-16-2012, 10:12 AM

lol absurd

boranbkk · 06-16-2012, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

No....

He should be ranked as Number 3, but there are allot of guys who could be number 3. Why do you try so hard to make the heavyweight division sound easy? It's still the toughest division on the planet, and fair enough there's not many exciting fighters. But in my opinion, it's the toughest division on the planet still technically.

Nobody in the welterweight division, unless their on steriods can ****ing knock anyone out. Look at the state of Manny PAC these days, look at how many power shots Mayweather landed on Cotto. Elite level at welterweight is shit..

For the fact that the heavyweights are the hardest hitting guys on planet, still makes it the most ruthless division.

Don't disagree that the HW division has the hardest hitting punchers, but no way is it the toughest divsion on the planet. Most of the guys are out of shape and rushed to the top with few fights and questionable records becuase of the lack of depth in the division.

Try any thing from Fly to Welter if your'e looking for competative quality schooled fighters which make the division competative and "tough". The international competion is fierce in the lower weight divisions just due to sheer weight of numbers alone. How many races and countries produce guys big enough to fight at HW?

Except for a few standouts HW boxing is dull, always has been and always will be.

ero-sennin · 06-16-2012, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

People wank over David Price, but if his last 5 fights where..

Monte Barrett
Nikola Valuev
John Ruiz
Audley Harrison
Wladimir Kiltschko

People would be wanking even more.

I hope David Haye, sparks out David Price.

Tyson Fury will spark out David Price.

theboy_racer · 06-16-2012, 08:04 PM

IMO he beats Vitali if they fight so YES

At worst he is 3rd.

SkillspayBills · 06-16-2012, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Primadonna Kool

People wank over David Price, but if his last 5 fights where..

Monte Barrett
Nikola Valuev
John Ruiz
Audley Harrison
Wladimir Kiltschko

People would be wanking even more.

I hope David Haye, sparks out David Price.

That's when the nightly dollop of olive oil on ones penis comes in handy otherwise it's awfully sore work and waste of tissues.

bobalachko · 06-16-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ero-sennin

Tyson Fury will spark out David Price.

David Price will knock Tyson Fury out inside 5 rounds. Tyson Fury is an overrated/overhyped buck of shit that will win nothing.

gashalasha7 · 06-16-2012, 09:22 PM

2nd or 3rd...

KCD · 06-17-2012, 02:10 AM

Haye needs to fight instead of running his mouth about how great he allegedly is.

He is top 5, but until you beat either Klitschko you can't be ranked above them, simple as that.

Also Hayes record at heavy is shite especially for a fighter who is the greatest fighter of all time in some people's eyes.

Barrett was 3-3 coming into the fight and then got blown out in 2 in his next fight off Solis. Ruiz had 1 fight in about 18 months and was about 9million years old. The Valuev fight, Haye threw around 20 punches per round. Harrison is wank and he ran away from the main man in Wlad.

Not much substance in Hayes heavy record.

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06-16-2012, 09:13 AM	#1
Duffy Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 436 vCash: 217	Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? I think he is and if he's not he certainly will be when he puts Chisora to the sword. Haye right now is on a whole other level above Vitali from a technically point of view. Klitschko can only dream about having Haye's footwork and head movement (ATG elusiveness) that bamboozes opponents. Haye has the better cv in recent years. Here is their combined top 5 best wins in order. 1. Valuev (beat Holyfied. World champ) 2. Ruiz (beat Holyfied. World champ) 3. Peter (fat plodder) 4. Mormeck (unified World champ) 5. Chisora
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06-16-2012, 09:15 AM	#2
joegrundy Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Liverpool Posts: 929 vCash: 2592	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? Ruiz isn't better than Peter. Can't really be bothered to compare there records but Vitali has to be seen as number 2 until he retires or gets beat.
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06-16-2012, 09:21 AM	#3
Primadonna Kool Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 9,800 vCash: 1000	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? No.... He should be ranked as Number 3, but there are allot of guys who could be number 3. Why do you try so hard to make the heavyweight division sound easy? It's still the toughest division on the planet, and fair enough there's not many exciting fighters. But in my opinion, it's the toughest division on the planet still technically. Nobody in the welterweight division, unless their on steriods can ****ing knock anyone out. Look at the state of Manny PAC these days, look at how many power shots Mayweather landed on Cotto. Elite level at welterweight is shit.. For the fact that the heavyweights are the hardest hitting guys on planet, still makes it the most ruthless division.
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Primadonna Kool Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 9,800 vCash: 1000	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? People wank over David Price, but if his last 5 fights where.. Monte Barrett Nikola Valuev John Ruiz Audley Harrison Wladimir Kiltschko People would be wanking even more. I hope David Haye, sparks out David Price.
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cutthroat22 newbie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 0 vCash: 213	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? you think the HW division is the toughest division pk? for what reason I'd say super middle is pretty tough myself, so many 50-50 fights. I don't think its about who has knockout power at all.
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BoxingObserver Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 207 vCash: 500	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? lol absurd
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theboy_racer Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,445 vCash: 1000	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? IMO he beats Vitali if they fight so YES At worst he is 3rd.
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06-17-2012, 02:10 AM	#15
KCD All aboard. ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westhoughton, Lancashire Posts: 4,058 vCash: 1000	Re: Lads is Haye the second best heavyweight in the World now? Haye needs to fight instead of running his mouth about how great he allegedly is. He is top 5, but until you beat either Klitschko you can't be ranked above them, simple as that. Also Hayes record at heavy is shite especially for a fighter who is the greatest fighter of all time in some people's eyes. Barrett was 3-3 coming into the fight and then got blown out in 2 in his next fight off Solis. Ruiz had 1 fight in about 18 months and was about 9million years old. The Valuev fight, Haye threw around 20 punches per round. Harrison is wank and he ran away from the main man in Wlad. Not much substance in Hayes heavy record.
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