The Brawl in Montreal

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by DKD

Close but clear win for Duran.

The rematch was also fairly close up until Duran quit. Conditioning was a factor. People forget that between the two fights Duran ballooned up to 190lbs. Getting back down to 147 was quite a feat in itself.

Ray was starting to land to the body and head when Duran quit. I think Duran knew he was going to get knocked out and he obviously knew he couldn't win.

[turbotime]

It was more competitive than close. There is a distinct difference IMO and a Clear Duran win.

[DKD]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

Ray was starting to land to the body and head when Duran quit. I think Duran knew he was going to get knocked out and he obviously knew he couldn't win.

It's possible. There has always been a lot of speculation as to why Duran really quit. However, I don't see Leonard knocking Duran out, myself.

I've always believed that Duran simply got frustrated with Leonard's showboating and his own inability to fight Leonard on his own terms. He just couldn't face it.

Who knows?

[MagnaNasakki]

Had it 9-6 Duran myself.

Leonard was coming on late, but he ran out of time.

Shockingly, Duran did the outboxing, Leonard got the better of it when Duran finally slowed down enough to trade with.


Then the rematch completely reversed those trends, as Duran spent the last several rounds in New Orleans getting stood on his head, instead of ground out in the trenches giving plenty himself.

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by DKD

It's possible. There has always been a lot of speculation as to why Duran really quit. However, I don't see Leonard knocking Duran out, myself.

I've always believed that Duran simply got frustrated with Leonard's showboating and his own inability to fight Leonard on his own terms. He just couldn't face it.

Who knows?

and I think one thing which backfired on Duran was he thought Ray was weaker mentally than he was just by the first fight where he fought Duran's style. When the second fight occured I think Duran thought Ray would fight his fight again and he would win, and he found out Ray outboxed him and stuck to it and started to land and do the bolo punching and showboat and try to make Duran look foolish. Duran then found out Ray was a guy who could be just as cocky as he was and I think it stunned him a little to the point where he was intimidated. Then he started feeling his power and he didn't want to deal with it. I just think he found out how great Ray was and it sort of shocked him.

[joebeadg]

I believe the stomach cramps story. Could you imagine trying to win a fight at that level with stomach cramps, ready to shit you're pants? I think that truly is the one thing to make Duran of that timeframe quit.

[frankenfrank]

Originally Posted by duranimal

Bullshit! If SRL was that confident he would'nt have jumped Duran for the November date knowing Duran was fat as a pig & refused point blank too wait till january, but he would'nt wait as he knew that to face a fit & focused Duran again meant certain defeat & he did'nt want another Montreal hammering did he. They told Duran's team to take it or leave it or they'd go after Cuevas so Don King said I'll take the money in advance!

This is true . This is how all of Leonard's big wins were , even if in d other cases fat was not d reason but rather just a man outgrowing his division (Hearns #1 & Benitez) or being drained by a catchweight contract (Hearns #2 & Lalonde)

[Stevie G]

Originally Posted by HeavyweightCP

the fight was very very close.

im 15 just watched the whole fight for the first time i felt duran won.

but you could have said leonard won.

It was very competitive and full of thrills and spills,but Duran definitely deserved the decision. One of the three greatest fights of the eighties,imo. Along with Hagler-Hearns and Leonard-Hearns I. In no particular order.

[KuRuPT]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

and I think one thing which backfired on Duran was he thought Ray was weaker mentally than he was just by the first fight where he fought Duran's style. When the second fight occured I think Duran thought Ray would fight his fight again and he would win, and he found out Ray outboxed him and stuck to it and started to land and do the bolo punching and showboat and try to make Duran look foolish. Duran then found out Ray was a guy who could be just as cocky as he was and I think it stunned him a little to the point where he was intimidated. Then he started feeling his power and he didn't want to deal with it. I just think he found out how great Ray was and it sort of shocked him.

Sometimes you just put on your dunce cap for the day... BEFORE the fight Leonard and Dundee made it VERY CLEAR what their plan was.. They said SRL was the Bigger Guy.. The Stronger guy... and they were going to impose themselves on the Smaller Duran and KO him... It had NOTHING to do with fighting DURAN's fight.. and everything to do with THAT was their plan from the opening bell. Which is usually correct.. If you're the bigger.. stronger.. taller and younger guy... you should impose yourself on the smaller man... Take your dunce cap off and continue please.

[Robbi]

Originally Posted by duranimal

It's a 10/5 for Duran & thats being generous to Ray

To say Duran won by 10 rounds to 5 is as stupid as saying Leonard won.....To say thats being generous is damn outright laughable.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by turbotime

It was more competitive than close. There is a distinct difference IMO and a Clear Duran win.

great post

the rounds were close, the fight wasn't. i had it clear for duran and duranimal's 10-5 score, to me, is reasonable

[Stevie G]

A lot of the rounds were indeed close. I made it 9 - 6 to Duran last time I looked at it.

[junior-soprano]

Originally Posted by HeavyweightCP

the fight was very very close.

im 15 just watched the whole fight for the first time i felt duran won.

but you could have said leonard won.

no not when you look at it with a clear view

[ripcity]

I agree with the OP.
The revisionist history of this fight being a walkover for Duran is rediculus.

[robert ungurean]

Originally Posted by duranimal

Bullshit! If SRL was that confident he would'nt have jumped Duran for the November date knowing Duran was fat as a pig & refused point blank too wait till january, but he would'nt wait as he knew that to face a fit & focused Duran again meant certain defeat & he did'nt want another Montreal hammering did he. They told Duran's team to take it or leave it or they'd go after Cuevas so Don King said I'll take the money in advance!