Welliver/De Mori/Meehan/Cameron

[buster007]

notice how the mark and chauncy huggers avoid debating the TRUE stats and important points.

what great wins does either have?

both r always talking about stepping up, but virtually don't.

how do they expect people to want to watch them if they won't take risks to prove themselves?

what's the point in climbing the rankings if u haven't proven u can beat a top 20 fighter let alone be capable of competing with the champion? u will only get decapitated and embarrass yourself.

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buster, youre takin my job!

[Totalpac]

Originally Posted by buster007

notice how the mark and chauncy huggers avoid debating the TRUE stats and important points.

what great wins does either have?

both r always talking about stepping up, but virtually don't.

how do they expect people to want to watch them if they won't take risks to prove themselves?

what's the point in climbing the rankings if u haven't proven u can beat a top 20 fighter let alone be capable of competing with the champion? u will only get decapitated and embarrass yourself.

A lot of time stats can say whatever you want them to say and people use them when they suit, but then when they don't suit argue that they don't mean anything.

Example for you

Stats after 22 fights for opponents Win/Loss, in order

Demori - 251/148
Cameron - 219/131
Meehan - 195/133
Leapai - 183/132
Welliver - 177/163

Now these can say whatever you want really. Can say who has had the hardest road, best matchmaking, smartest business sense. Whatever.

So purely on stats which, is what you wanted, Mark fights the toughest opponents. Right?

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Originally Posted by Totalpac

A lot of time stats can say whatever you want them to say and people use them when they suit, but then when they don't suit argue that they don't mean anything.

Example for you

Stats after 22 fights for opponents Win/Loss, in order

Demori - 251/148
Cameron - 219/131
Meehan - 195/133
Leapai - 183/132
Welliver - 177/163

Now these can say whatever you want really. Can say who has had the hardest road, best matchmaking, smartest business sense. Whatever.

So purely on stats which, is what you wanted, Mark fights the toughest opponents. Right?

theres an old saying...; "lies, damn lies, and statistics.."

that about says it all....

Originally Posted by Totalpac

A lot of time stats can say whatever you want them to say and people use them when they suit, but then when they don't suit argue that they don't mean anything.

Example for you

Stats after 22 fights for opponents Win/Loss, in order

Demori - 251/148
Cameron - 219/131
Meehan - 195/133
Leapai - 183/132
Welliver - 177/163

Now these can say whatever you want really. Can say who has had the hardest road, best matchmaking, smartest business sense. Whatever.

So purely on stats which, is what you wanted, Mark fights the toughest opponents. Right?

Mark de Mori's first 20 fights showed opponent win/loss totals of 132/111 and included 8 opponents who had never won a fight.

The win column was then very much artificially enhanced by fighting two absolutely shot opponents in 42 year old Calloway and 39 years old Weida.

Those two managed to accumulate 117 wins between them when they were competitive. But as indicated by their recent form and the fact that they have probably now both retired, de Mori only fought shells of what those guys once were.

So yes, data can be misleading alright


"So purely on stats which, is what you wanted, Mark fights the toughest opponents. Right?"

[buster007]

Originally Posted by Totalpac

A lot of time stats can say whatever you want them to say and people use them when they suit, but then when they don't suit argue that they don't mean anything.

Example for you

Stats after 22 fights for opponents Win/Loss, in order

Demori - 251/148
Cameron - 219/131
Meehan - 195/133
Leapai - 183/132
Welliver - 177/163

Now these can say whatever you want really. Can say who has had the hardest road, best matchmaking, smartest business sense. Whatever.

So purely on stats which, is what you wanted, Mark fights the toughest opponents. Right?

see now u r just being a FUCKWIT.

u have completely IGNORED EVERY POINT and have just shown that there is simply no response that doesn't make both these fighters look like PRETENDERS.

[Totalpac]

Trying to quote stats for you. Not my opinion stats. You asked why I/we avoid debating true stats, so there some are.

Then of course once I do that apparently then if they don't suit, people start taking off the stats of the 'most successful' fighters someone has fought, to try to even them up or something, I'm not sure?

Can you be fairer than compare all fighters after 22 fights if that is the most one of them has had?

[Totalpac]

Originally Posted by The Spider

Mark de Mori's first 20 fights showed opponent win/loss totals of 132/111 and included 8 opponents who had never won a fight.

The win column was then very much artificially enhanced by fighting two absolutely shot opponents in 42 year old Calloway and 39 years old Weida.

Those two managed to accumulate 117 wins between them when they were competitive. But as indicated by their recent form and the fact that they have probably now both retired, de Mori only fought shells of what those guys once were.

So yes, data can be misleading alright


"So purely on stats which, is what you wanted, Mark fights the toughest opponents. Right?"

The same Weida that was fine for Alex to fight in his 30th fight, only 6 months before Mark, after fighting the guys you always state, Walker, Beck, Wilson, Barnett, Peter, Orlov?

I have no issue with Alex fighting Weida or any opponent, there is so much involved in getting opponents it's down to luck as much as anything in the whacky world of pro boxing.

I just think you need not let your dislike/jealousy/attraction for Mark cloud your view.

[buster007]

Originally Posted by buster007

notice how the mark and chauncy huggers avoid debating the TRUE stats and important points.

what great wins does either have?

both r always talking about stepping up, but virtually don't.

how do they expect people to want to watch them if they won't take risks to prove themselves?

what's the point in climbing the rankings if u haven't proven u can beat a top 20 fighter let alone be capable of competing with the champion? u will only get decapitated and embarrass yourself.

total,

stop being an IGNORANT CUNT and discuss like a HUMAN FFS.

[Totalpac]

1) The wins against Mahone at that stage of Mark's career, when everyone thought he was going to lose was a turning point. Mark as you can see in the vid, put a game plan in place, stuck to it and completely went and outboxed a world title challenger, when at that stage Mark was more of typical slugger HW.

I also rate his win against a Barnett in his home country when he was a lot fitter and lighter as a great win. Mark, being over there by himself, no corner man, dealing with a head but, was also a tough win.

Also say what you want but Alexander after not fighting for 2.5 years was also a great win. Since fighting Mark, Alexander has gone 2 and 2 I think? with 2 KO's wins. You can think you are ready all you want in the gym, but after 2.5 years out, in front of a home crowd, a loss essentially ending his career, there was a lot of pressure on him.

That are his 3 best wins in his 22 fight career.

2) When you see what goes on behind the scenes, you would understand why. They talk about it, because time and time again they do say yes to Tua, Raham, Fury, Meehan, Stiverne, Mitchell etc etc They sign the contracts agree to terms and conditions, but then for what ever reason the other guys fight someone else. Thats boxing. But they talk about it because they actually sign the contracts and say yes to these fights.

3) As I have said before, do you honestly believe Mark or anyone for that matter, when this is their love/life/profession wants to be fighting these 'keep busy fights' They don't, but when the choice is not fight or fight the best opponent you can thats meets the criteria thats what they do.

4) The point is they know where they are at and the climb the rankings in hope they get a chance. If they do go out and embarrass themselves then so be it, but every fighter has a pretty good idea of who they could or couldn't hang with. Alex got his shot and showed that he can hang with those type of guys and possibly win. All any fighter at this stage of the career wants is that chance. They can't do more than keep saying yes to fights to stepping up the competition.

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Originally Posted by Totalpac

1) The wins against Mahone at that stage of Mark's career, when everyone thought he was going to lose was a turning point. Mark as you can see in the vid, put a game plan in place, stuck to it and completely went and outboxed a world title challenger, when at that stage Mark was more of typical slugger HW.

I also rate his win against a Barnett in his home country when he was a lot fitter and lighter as a great win. Mark, being over there by himself, no corner man, dealing with a head but, was also a tough win.

Also say what you want but Alexander after not fighting for 2.5 years was also a great win. Since fighting Mark, Alexander has gone 2 and 2 I think? with 2 KO's wins. You can think you are ready all you want in the gym, but after 2.5 years out, in front of a home crowd, a loss essentially ending his career, there was a lot of pressure on him.

That are his 3 best wins in his 22 fight career.

2) When you see what goes on behind the scenes, you would understand why. They talk about it, because time and time again they do say yes to Tua, Raham, Fury, Meehan, Stiverne, Mitchell etc etc They sign the contracts agree to terms and conditions, but then for what ever reason the other guys fight someone else. Thats boxing. But they talk about it because they actually sign the contracts and say yes to these fights.

3) As I have said before, do you honestly believe Mark or anyone for that matter, when this is their love/life/profession wants to be fighting these 'keep busy fights' They don't, but when the choice is not fight or fight the best opponent you can thats meets the criteria thats what they do.

4) The point is they know where they are at and the climb the rankings in hope they get a chance. If they do go out and embarrass themselves then so be it, but every fighter has a pretty good idea of who they could or couldn't hang with. Alex got his shot and showed that he can hang with those type of guys and possibly win. All any fighter at this stage of the career wants is that chance. They can't do more than keep saying yes to fights to stepping up the competition.

you are delusional. demori is a roided up light heavy. he wont, and cant cut it as a heavy. john wyborn cut him down in one round for fucks sake!!

you wanna put demori against a decent heavy?? what, do you want him killed? hes too afraid to fight leapai FFS.

get a life. demori is going nowhere....fast. the 1st time he steps up, he gets ko'd..


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Originally Posted by Totalpac

The same Weida that was fine for Alex to fight in his 30th fight, only 6 months before Mark, after fighting the guys you always state, Walker, Beck, Wilson, Barnett, Peter, Orlov?

I have no issue with Alex fighting Weida or any opponent, there is so much involved in getting opponents it's down to luck as much as anything in the whacky world of pro boxing.

I just think you need not let your dislike/jealousy/attraction for Mark cloud your view.

By all means keep searching for stats that distort the facts. But the bottom line is Alex Leapai has beaten Cronje, Walker, Beck, Wilson, Barnett, Okello & Orlov, and fought 'Kingpin' Johnson. de Mori has a win over a well worn Mahone and very little else.

Weida & Calloway were both absolutely shot by the time Mark fought them. If you managed to extract your head from Mark's bum you'd be able to see that like everybody else

There are none so blind as those who will not see

[Totalpac]

You need to either add Barnett to Mark's fights of take it from Leapai's when quoting who has fought who.

To me shows your blatant differing standards you hold them both to.

Originally Posted by Totalpac

You need to either add Barnett to Mark's fights of take it from Leapai's when quoting who has fought who.

To me shows your blatant differing standards you hold them both to.

Says the guy whose man-love for de Mori seems to know no bounds and blinds him from all objectivity

Here you go >>>

Alex Leapai has beaten Cronje, Walker, Beck, Wilson, Barnett, Okello & Orlov, and fought 'Kingpin' Johnson. de Mori has wins over Barnett, and a well worn Mahone

[BigBopper]

Here is a fact. Wlad Klitschko fought prime Weida in his fourth fight. Two months into his professional career. Yet Mark takes on Weida as an old, shot to shit, now retired, shell of his former journeyman self, eight years into his professional career....and it's one of his greatest victories. It doesn't look like Mark is transcending the sport of boxing like he said he was going to.