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Old 06-30-2012, 03:04 PM   #271
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Pure stupidity in many posts here. Racial hatred motivated. It is amazing how some people ignore science only to express their racial hatred.

The fact is that the vast majority of Argentinians are white/European origin. Everyone who has ever visited a school knows that. White period.

Latin is not a race. How ignorant must be one to claim it is a race? Latin is a huge part of European culture and heritage.
The point is that no race has any inherent definition, so these debates are all pure conjecture.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:11 PM   #272
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The point is that no race has any inherent definition, so these debates are all pure conjecture.

No they are not. It's proven and everyone who was in school knows it. Only a racially bias person will claim the opposite.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:12 PM   #273
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These newfags...
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:15 PM   #274
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By the way people should go to school and learn. It is important.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:17 PM   #275
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There are many Argentinians of Bulgarian origin. It is a country of European imimgrants.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:17 PM   #276
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Race is a social construct more than a biological one.

Ethnicity is a more important and useful concept than race.

Race has always been a definition of extremes that blurs the transitional reality.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:21 PM   #277
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you're wrong about americans. not ever american believes latin-americans are strictly mexicans. that's stupid, and untrue.
I agree, but it's mostly true.

I bet 98% of Amercans can't even name a SINGLE country that is south of Mexico. (Some would probably guess Puerto Rico, seriously.) Most probably think Argentina & Bolivia are in Europe, and Venezuela is "an island, over there by Hawaii someplace."

Ignorant, self-centered Americans... I'm often embarrassed to be one.
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Old 06-30-2012, 04:23 PM   #278
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Excuse me, no Latino would like to be treated as a white man, he is a man by himself but don't come here to say what it is not. Either way, people do not consider race cards anymore or they do and the truth must be told. Both Martinez and Chavez Jr like Duran, Arguello, Sanchez, Rosario, JCC Sr, Camacho, Monzon r not caucasians or else you are insulting them, go and tell Cotto in his face that he is not a Latino and you end up flat on the ground. Bottom line, there are no advantages or problems in being afro-american, asian, caucasian-western european, caucasian-eastern european, caucasian-american, african, arab or whateva in boxing... You have it and you work hard to get it or else retire and do something else.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:13 PM   #279
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I am from Argentina and despite is not 90% as some people said, there is a big % of people that consider themselves as whites (including me) and many mestizos descendants (indian/spanish mix) but it is not like in US. Most of european descendants are italian and spanish descendants (there are german, irish descendants too) so you won't find so many blond/nordic looking people. There is some racism but not US style racism at all. There are not different subcultures or things like that. It is mostly an income/education thing. What is weird about Martinez is that he sounds (in spanish of course) as a very educated man despite coming from a poor neighborhood. As an example Maidana has a very small voacabulary, he doesn't talk too much and he is from a poor origin too. Regarding Martinez "ethnic" origin, nobody cares at all. And Latino is a US label for their inmigrants, not used outside US, it is not like a chilean or paraguayan think of themselves as latin.
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:28 PM   #280
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I am from Argentina and despite is not 90% as some people said, there is a big % of people that consider themselves as whites (including me) and many mestizos descendants (indian/spanish mix) but it is not like in US. Most of european descendants are italian and spanish descendants (there are german, irish descendants too) so you won't find so many blond/nordic looking people. There is some racism but not US style racism at all. There are not different subcultures or things like that. It is mostly an income/education thing. What is weird about Martinez is that he sounds (in spanish of course) as a very educated man despite coming from a poor neighborhood. As an example Maidana has a very small voacabulary, he doesn't talk too much and he is from a poor origin too. Regarding Martinez "ethnic" origin, nobody cares at all. And Latino is a US label for their inmigrants, not used outside US, it is not like a chilean or paraguayan think of themselves as latin.
That is very much true, you argentineans or argentines are a very arre mix of euro-italians, euro-spanish and indians from the rest of the sub-continent. No doubt Maravilla looks exactly like a euro.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:40 PM   #281
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There is some racism but not US style racism at all. There are not different subcultures


Regarding Martinez "ethnic" origin, nobody cares at all. And Latino is a US label for their inmigrants, not used outside US, it is not like a chilean or paraguayan think of themselves as latin.
Bingo. Exactly !!
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:35 PM   #282
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lol at some of the idiots in this thread
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:21 PM   #283
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Excuse me, no Latino would like to be treated as a white man, he is a man by himself but don't come here to say what it is not. Either way, people do not consider race cards anymore or they do and the truth must be told. Both Martinez and Chavez Jr like Duran, Arguello, Sanchez, Rosario, JCC Sr, Camacho, Monzon r not caucasians or else you are insulting them, go and tell Cotto in his face that he is not a Latino and you end up flat on the ground. Bottom line, there are no advantages or problems in being afro-american, asian, caucasian-western european, caucasian-eastern european, caucasian-american, african, arab or whateva in boxing... You have it and you work hard to get it or else retire and do something else.
Of course they are latinos...they are white latinos!

Much like Gamboa and Miranda are black latinos
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:29 PM   #284
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Well, I don't know if he's the most talented white boxer ever. Depends what you mean by athletic.

But he's on a skill level (but not accomplishment level) with my six-pack of alltime most naturally talented boxers, all of which are black. (SRR, Ali, SRL, Pea, RJJ, Floyd).

Too bad he started so late !
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:29 PM   #285
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I believe he is greek/Spaniard blooded. He is still latino though. Argentina is like 90% european immigrants, mostly italy and germany.
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