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Old 06-27-2012, 12:42 PM   #121
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Do we have to argue about Ricky Hatton being white, No!

Do we have to argue about Kelly Pavlik being white, dont think so!

Do we have to argue about The Klitshkos being white, nope!

But if you have to argue about Sergio Martinez being white, than he obviously is not white.
We only have to argue about it because people in the United States are ****ing ignorant and uneducated on this issue. They associate Europeans of the Anglo culture as being white and that's it. WRONG! There are whites of the Latin culture, Middle Eastern culture, Mediterreannean culture, Slavic culture, etc.

Let me ask you this - if Sergio Martinez isn't white, then is Paulie Malignaggi? Because Paulie is several shades darker. But he's Italian so that's "white" and Sergio is from South America so he's a "person of color" right? Ugh...

You probably call Obama black don't you?

In regards to Latino/Hispanic ignorance, it's mainly due to the leaders of the USA - mostly the politicians. They target Latinos as a race to try to suck up votes. Its hilarious to hear some celebrity like Christina Aguilera call herself a "person of color" becacuse she's Hispanic and Anglo Americans buy into that because they've been trained to.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:43 PM   #122
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is that the really billy nelson
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:49 PM   #123
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we have to argue because of brainless insular americans like you,most argentinians have italian heritage,theyre white,im white anglo but im sure if i lived in argentina i would have a nice darker complexion,suppose if that happened i wouldnt be white anymore though eh.....yawn at americans an there lack of cultural or historical knowledge
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:04 PM   #124
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This topic again?

Race isn't real, it's socially constructed, so there's no need to separate terms like "race" and "ethnicity" as if they mean anything inherent.

He looks white, is of European ancestry, and is considered white in his own country. "Whiteness" changes its meaning in the United States and in a global context, where the cultural and social label for "white" is more strictly Eurocentric. Who does and doesn't get the benefits and treatments and cultural classification for whiteness largely depends on the social structure that surrounds them. Martinez is a White Latino, but to simply refer to him as white ignores key concepts of our social reality that indicate he's not entitled to the dominant cultural norm of the globe.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:28 PM   #125
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1. isaac frost
2. rocky balboa
3. tommy gunn

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Old 06-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #126
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He is Hispanic....
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:29 PM   #127
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:45 PM   #128
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We only have to argue about it because people in the United States are ****ing ignorant and uneducated on this issue. They associate Europeans of the Anglo culture as being white and that's it. WRONG! There are whites of the Latin culture, Middle Eastern culture, Mediterreannean culture, Slavic culture, etc.

Let me ask you this - if Sergio Martinez isn't white, then is Paulie Malignaggi? Because Paulie is several shades darker. But he's Italian so that's "white" and Sergio is from South America so he's a "person of color" right? Ugh...

You probably call Obama black don't you?

In regards to Latino/Hispanic ignorance, it's mainly due to the leaders of the USA - mostly the politicians. They target Latinos as a race to try to suck up votes. Its hilarious to hear some celebrity like Christina Aguilera call herself a "person of color" becacuse she's Hispanic and Anglo Americans buy into that because they've been trained to.
Amen brother and I'm American! I started this thread because I am one of the few Americans who has actually travelled around the world, isn't ignorant about race and is able to distinguish between race, ethnicity, and culture.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:50 PM   #129
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listen, you arent the end all be all on race. the fact that so many people have contrasting opinions in this thread does nothing but lend to the erratic changeability of racial identification. there is no across the board understanding of racial identity, and for anyone to believe that he has mostly european blood based on his looks alone is preposterous. skin color is not the sole determining factor in someone's origin, and every other potential factor in the form of physical traits is unreliable due to a wide range of variations that undoubtedly exist, in small or high number, across races. "pure race" huh?
The "contrasting opinions" are based on igorance and nothing more. I didn't characterize him as "white" solely based on his appearance ---I actually researched his background and read that he was of Greek and Spanish decent. The last time I checked, Greece and Spain were in Europe and thus he is white. When I wrote "pure race" I was referring to the three distinct racial groups "caucasoid", "negroid" and "mongoloid". Very few people are 100% pure anything but those are the three distinct races.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:51 PM   #130
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He is Hispanic....
Have you not learned ANYTHING from this thread?
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:52 PM   #131
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Amen brother and I'm American! I started this thread because I am one of the few Americans who has actually travelled around the world, isn't ignorant about race and is able to distinguish between race, ethnicity, and culture.
I think this type of threads will just allow morons to split hairs in four and from the beginning i expected a torrent of inculture to flow. But that's fine, Sergio is a latino del barrio, he's not white, and Argentinians descend from Aztecs like Mexicans...

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Old 06-27-2012, 02:53 PM   #132
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The "contrasting opinions" are based on igorance and nothing more. I didn't characterize him as "white" solely based on his appearance ---I actually researched his background and read that he was of Greek and Spanish decent. The last time I checked, Greece and Spain were in Europe and thus he is white. When I wrote "pure race" I was referring to the three distinct racial groups "caucasoid", "negroid" and "mongoloid". Very few people are 100% pure anything but those are the three distinct races.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:58 PM   #133
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race only exists socially, scientifically it's a very fuzzy concept at best.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:59 PM   #134
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The "contrasting opinions" are based on igorance and nothing more. I didn't characterize him as "white" solely based on his appearance ---I actually researched his background and read that he was of Greek and Spanish decent. The last time I checked, Greece and Spain were in Europe and thus he is white. When I wrote "pure race" I was referring to the three distinct racial groups "caucasoid", "negroid" and "mongoloid". Very few people are 100% pure anything but those are the three distinct races.

those three are the only . everyone else is a mixture of the three.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:00 PM   #135
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I think this type of threads will just allow morons to split hairs in four and from the beginning i expected a torrent of inculture to flow. But that's fine, Sergio is a latino del barrio, he's not white, and Argentinians descend from Aztecs as Mexicans...
You're right. I'm beginning to lose hope in humanity.
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