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View Poll Results: Prime Ali in the 90's era
He goes undefeated 12 36.36%
He will lose 1 7 21.21%
He will lose 2 4 12.12%
He will lose 3 or more 10 30.30%
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:07 AM   #1
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Default What if Prime Ali was in the 90's era. Will he lose? What will happen?

Basically Prime Ali goes through

pre prison early 90's Tyson
Prime Bowe- Prime Holyfield-Prime Lewis
Prime Mercer Prime Morrison Prime Bruno Prime Ruddock Prime Tua
Ike-Moorer

Fat comeback George- Prime ANDREW GOLOTA

The Atomic Bull Prime Olivier Mccall


and of course

Prime Chris Byrd.


What is his record?
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Old 06-26-2012, 06:48 AM   #2
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I don't know, but he'd find it more difficult than in the 60's and 70's, imo. If for nothing more than having to face prime or near-prime versions of Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson and Bowe. That's a hell of a walk of fire for any man.

The supporting cast of 90's heavyweights a notch below isn't half bad either...
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:19 AM   #3
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Default Re: What if Prime Ali was in the 90's era. Will he lose? What will happen?

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Basically Prime Ali goes through

pre prison early 90's Tyson
Prime Bowe- Prime Holyfield-Prime Lewis
Prime Mercer Prime Morrison Prime Bruno Prime Ruddock Prime Tua
Ike-Moorer

Fat comeback George- Prime ANDREW GOLOTA

The Atomic Bull Prime Olivier Mccall


and of course

Prime Chris Byrd.


What is his record?
Many variables here. My scenario is that he turns pro at eighteen years old in 1990. He works his way up and challenges for the title in 1993/early '94. He beats Bowe,Holyfield,Tyson,Moorer,Old Foreman,McCall and everyone else. He may drop a decision in a first fight in a series with Lennox Lewis,but wins the next two times.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:47 AM   #4
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Default Re: What if Prime Ali was in the 90's era. Will he lose? What will happen?

He'd maybe lose one or two, but he'd still be very successful.

If Holyfield could dual with the best Heavys, so could Ali.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:50 AM   #5
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McCall of d Lewis #1 fight beats Ali . That McCall was strong , hard hitting and durable as usual , but didn't need his durability because he was unusually sharp . In fact he also looked good against Jesse Ferguson (whom outpointed Douglas and Mercer and stopped Reggie Gross and as far as I undestand was also robbed of a 2nd win over Mercer in their rematch) .
McCall also looked sharp at times against Larry Holmes and his sharpness was independent of Holmes' advanced age .
But McCall looked at his sharpest against Lewis in their 1st fight .
That McCall was even quick enough 2 counter Ali's useless slashing taps .

Regarding Tua , if he catches Ali flush Ali does not recover well if he gets up at all because Tua was no Joe Frazier , Doug Jones or Henry Cooper . Tua was a harder hitter than them all and also more durable than them all .
And Ali was catchable at any stage of his career regardless what a few paid / agenda driven / idiotic posters here r going 2 shit about .

pre prison Tyson beats Ali as well . He catches him and even if failing 2 finish he still does enough damage 2 win a decision .

Depending on Ali's tactics , if he's mobile and constantly on d back foot d way ppl remember him from his "prime" , IDK how d judges will score him vs Holyfield and how often Holyfield managed 2 catch him .
But if it's d holding , hugging and hitting Ali then he is only going 2 lose 2 Holyfield in this game .

Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis beat Ali at whatever game he decides 2 choose .

Mercer IDK .

Ibeabuchi either ends in a close 12 rds no contest of d kind d DKP indirectly paid judges liked 2 score in Ali's favor , or catches him like he did with Byrd and beating him .

U forgot Moorer . Moorer could outbox Ali and Ali could not hit as hard as Tua , Holyfield and old fat Foreman .

fat old Foreman under normal climate was 2 clumsy 2 catch Ali hard and often enough 2 finish him and d other thing i know about a fight between this version of George against Ali is that it turns out n ugly fight .
If Golota is determined and focused enough he could outbox Ali as well .
Byrd n ugly fight due 2d combination of both men's styles and would b close .
Byrd would b busier than Young was , more aggressive and just better and could do better than Young did also against earlier versions of Ali than d 1 whom Young fought .

Good idea 4 a thread and good options @ d poll .
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:54 PM   #6
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A lot of great matchups. Ali may lose to Tyson, Bowe, and
Lewis. Tua and Morrison might drop him, but I believe Ali
beats everyone them and everyone else. Were talking
prime Ali here. Against Tyson, Bowe, and Lewis, Ali's
Technical flaws might be exposed. All 50/50. Bottom
line Ali would be one of if not the greatest in the 90s.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:59 PM   #7
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I feel he loses 1, maybe two and then loses another two in the 00s due to wear and tear.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:44 PM   #8
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Prime 1960s Ali would love the big muscle bound guys in the 1990s. they would make him look fantastic. Big lumps never got going against Ali when he was clay. It was other fast slick boxers who bothered prime Ali. His niche was that he was a big guy who fought like he was as small as billy conn. I would bet Ali beats the best guys easy and looks worse against the worst guys. Chris byrd and maybe moorer would bother clay the most and I dont expect either to beat him.
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Old 06-26-2012, 04:30 PM   #9
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Lewis and Bowe would be his toughest fights. The 90's Tyson stands no chance. None.

Holyfield would make it competitive but I think Ali's jab would be the key here and really keep Holyfield guessing with his movement and crisp combos.

He'd probably take a loss somewhere in between Bowe and Lewis.
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Early 90's Tyson might be able to do it. He was fed that style and ate it up completely. Bowe would be the most difficult. Lewis would put pressure and could land some bombs but Ali is too fast, too smooth.
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Early 90's Tyson might be able to do it. He was fed that style and ate it up completely. Bowe would be the most difficult. Lewis would put pressure and could land some bombs but Ali is too fast, too smooth.
I know you said might but come on dude, get out Tysons ass. Even a prime Tyson (not that I think he would win) would have to be pretty much perfect to have a chabce of beating a prime Ali and you think Tyson 4 years into the game would beat him? He was shot by that point .

A prime Holyfield has a pretty slim chance and Bowe and Lewis prime for prime would have a 50-50 fight at best. Like I said, he will meet his match somewhere along the line, maybe it could be Ike, Tua or Ruddock, relentless fighters that just wouldn't stop coming at Ali, although it would be unlikely.

2 fighters that haven't been mentioned yet (quite surprisingly in fact) Mercer on his nights could give the very bet a real run for their money and I think a very experienced Holmes could Ali some real problems.

The 90s where stacked with some great heavyweights with great depth. Although Ali was probably the best H2H heavyweight of all time, I don't feel even he was good enough to start his career around 87 and begin to enter his prime and step up his competition by the 90s and stay undefeated till the new millennium.
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McCall of d Lewis #1 fight beats Ali . That McCall was strong , hard hitting and durable as usual , but didn't need his durability because he was unusually sharp . In fact he also looked good against Jesse Ferguson (whom outpointed Douglas and Mercer and stopped Reggie Gross and as far as I undestand was also robbed of a 2nd win over Mercer in their rematch) .
McCall also looked sharp at times against Larry Holmes and his sharpness was independent of Holmes' advanced age .
But McCall looked at his sharpest against Lewis in their 1st fight .
That McCall was even quick enough 2 counter Ali's useless slashing taps .

Regarding Tua , if he catches Ali flush Ali does not recover well if he gets up at all because Tua was no Joe Frazier , Doug Jones or Henry Cooper . Tua was a harder hitter than them all and also more durable than them all .
And Ali was catchable at any stage of his career regardless what a few paid / agenda driven / idiotic posters here r going 2 shit about .

pre prison Tyson beats Ali as well . He catches him and even if failing 2 finish he still does enough damage 2 win a decision .

Depending on Ali's tactics , if he's mobile and constantly on d back foot d way ppl remember him from his "prime" , IDK how d judges will score him vs Holyfield and how often Holyfield managed 2 catch him .
But if it's d holding , hugging and hitting Ali then he is only going 2 lose 2 Holyfield in this game .

Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis beat Ali at whatever game he decides 2 choose .

Mercer IDK .

Ibeabuchi either ends in a close 12 rds no contest of d kind d DKP indirectly paid judges liked 2 score in Ali's favor , or catches him like he did with Byrd and beating him .

U forgot Moorer . Moorer could outbox Ali and Ali could not hit as hard as Tua , Holyfield and old fat Foreman .

fat old Foreman under normal climate was 2 clumsy 2 catch Ali hard and often enough 2 finish him and d other thing i know about a fight between this version of George against Ali is that it turns out n ugly fight .
If Golota is determined and focused enough he could outbox Ali as well .
Byrd n ugly fight due 2d combination of both men's styles and would b close .
Byrd would b busier than Young was , more aggressive and just better and could do better than Young did also against earlier versions of Ali than d 1 whom Young fought .

Good idea 4 a thread and good options @ d poll .
nicezt post i hav seen n i agree wid every word dat u sed
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he would have a few wars with Holyfield
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Prime Ali? No jail downtime?

He'd beat them all. Maybe a loss somewhere because he's human.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:31 PM   #15
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McCall of d Lewis #1 fight beats Ali . That McCall was strong , hard hitting and durable as usual , but didn't need his durability because he was unusually sharp . In fact he also looked good against Jesse Ferguson (whom outpointed Douglas and Mercer and stopped Reggie Gross and as far as I undestand was also robbed of a 2nd win over Mercer in their rematch) .
McCall also looked sharp at times against Larry Holmes and his sharpness was independent of Holmes' advanced age .
But McCall looked at his sharpest against Lewis in their 1st fight .
That McCall was even quick enough 2 counter Ali's useless slashing taps .


McCall beats prime Ali?
The Lennox, McCall fought wasn't even at his best yet.
McCall doesn't stand a chance against prime Ali. You expose your idiocy by saying McCall would counter Ali's 'useless slashing taps'. I'm afraid to keep going...but I will..


Regarding Tua , if he catches Ali flush Ali does not recover well if he gets up at all because Tua was no Joe Frazier , Doug Jones or Henry Cooper . Tua was a harder hitter than them all and also more durable than them all .
And Ali was catchable at any stage of his career regardless what a few paid / agenda driven / idiotic posters here r going 2 shit about .


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Tua was no Joe Frazier, thats absolutely correct. Tua couldn't land a K.O punch on prime Ali, and if he did land something flush Ali would get up just fine, just like he did in the deep waters against Frazier( in FOTC )of whom Tua was not.

pre prison Tyson beats Ali as well . He catches him and even if failing 2 finish he still does enough damage 2 win a decision .

Tyson couldn't handle prime Ali either, and Tyson hit harder than Tua on the inside.

Depending on Ali's tactics , if he's mobile and constantly on d back foot d way ppl remember him from his "prime" , IDK how d judges will score him vs Holyfield and how often Holyfield managed 2 catch him .
But if it's d holding , hugging and hitting Ali then he is only going 2 lose 2 Holyfield in this game .



Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis beat Ali at whatever game he decides 2 choose .



Mercer IDK .

Ibeabuchi either ends in a close 12 rds no contest of d kind d DKP indirectly paid judges liked 2 score in Ali's favor , or catches him like he did with Byrd and beating him .

U forgot Moorer . Moorer could outbox Ali and Ali could not hit as hard as Tua , Holyfield and old fat Foreman .


fat old Foreman under normal climate was 2 clumsy 2 catch Ali hard and often enough 2 finish him and d other thing i know about a fight between this version of George against Ali is that it turns out n ugly fight .
If Golota is determined and focused enough he could outbox Ali as well .
Byrd n ugly fight due 2d combination of both men's styles and would b close .
Byrd would b busier than Young was , more aggressive and just better and could do better than Young did also against earlier versions of Ali than d 1 whom Young fought .

Good idea 4 a thread and good options @ d poll .
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