My Current P4P Top 30

[bazza12]

Originally Posted by bernie4366

Who the fuck has Martinez beat outside of a declining Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams? Fuck's sake, he's the most overrated prick to ever walk the planet.

Hang on, they're pretty good wins both, considering that Middlweight was barely his natural weight-class. Then throw on the likes of Macklin, Dzinziruk, Barker, Bunema, (Cintron)...

I guess it might depend on how much you rate physical aspects such as height, poundage etc when factoring in pound for pound rankings. As Martinez is/was as good as a career welter or light-middle, I give him a little bit extra credit for moving up and beating down two of the best middle's.

[bernie4366]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

Barker, a too level Euro fighter, certainly proved he was world class. Macklin, arguably the second best middleweight in the world ( he beat Sturm in my eyes ) and that Dzirunk or Whatever the fuck his name is, although he was pretty poor. His comfortable win over Chavez will show us why he deserves to be in the top 5. Any feedback on the rest of the list?

Barker was a B lvl nobody, Macklin is another euro flash in the pan, Dzin sucked ass. I wouldn't be at all shocked to see JCC Jr. put him up against the ropes and fucking maul Sergio. By NO stretch of the imagination is Martinez anywhere near the level of Juan Fucking Manuel Marquez and it's a goddam insult to have him there. Paul Williams beat him legit in the first fight. Margarito kicked the living shit out of him. HBO fucking hypes some clown and everybody jumps on the bandwagon, it's sickening and disrespectful to the fighters like JMM who have worked 10x as hard and proven to have 10x as much ability. I doubt very VERY much if Sexy will even make HOF.

[idealista]

Did you focus on boxer's potential, skills or resume? It's one of the worst p4p ranking I've seen (mainly after top10), no hate just sayin'.

[realdeal561]

Originally Posted by bazza12

1- Mayweather Jr
2- Pacquiao
3- Marquez
4- Martinez
5- Donaire
6- Ward
7- Froch
8- W Klitschko
9- Dawson
10- Cotto
11- Bradley *will move up shortly
12- Viloria
13- Peterson *will be removed shortly
14- Khan
15- Hopkins
16- Segura
17- Gamboa
18- Gonzalez
19- Salido
20- Pascal
21- Mares
22- V Klitschko
23- Hernandez
24- Moreno
25- Nishioka

I'll be getting rid of Lamont and moving Bradley up soon though, this is when I last updated in May...

Wow. Gamboa at 17. That is a real low rating. Peterson is too high up

[Chempasillo]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

Right guys, I feel my list is pretty damn good (in a non big headed way) so be harsh if you must, give praise if you agree and tell me where you think people should go up and down, or if I'm missing someone. (was tempted to put Uchiyama at 30 but decided with Lara)

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Pacquiao
4. Martinez
5. Donaire
6. Ward
7. Wladimir
8. Gamboa
9. Dawson
10. Bradley
11. Froch
12. Vitali
13. Moreno
14. Hernandez
15. Cotto
16. Nishioka
17. Salido
18. Hopkins
19. Mares
20. Viloria
21. Gonzalez (Roman)
22. Khan
23. Kessler
24. Joyi
25. Rigondeaux
26. Broner
27. Alvarez
28 Chavez Jr
29. Matthysse
30. Lara

Just to explain the JMM 2 Pac 3 and Bradley 10, the logic behind it is obviously the fact that Pac has now been robbed, he has no right to be ahead of JMM and that Bradley should go down slightly after his performance which should have merited a loss.

bradley is shite and X is over. the rest is okay.

[PIPO23]

Originally Posted by Webbiano

Right guys, I feel my list is pretty damn good (in a non big headed way) so be harsh if you must, give praise if you agree and tell me where you think people should go up and down, or if I'm missing someone. (was tempted to put Uchiyama at 30 but decided with Lara)

1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Pacquiao
4. Martinez
5. Donaire
6. Ward
7. Wladimir
8. Gamboa
9. Dawson Are you serious?
10. Bradley Are you serious?
11. Froch
12. Vitali
13. Moreno A bit lower behind Cotto.
14. Hernandez Who?
15. Cotoo
16. Nishioka
17. Salido
18. Hopkins
19. Mares A bit higher
20. Viloria Too low has beaten, Nino, Solis and Segura via TKO
21. Gonzalez (Roman)
22. Khan
23. Kessler
24. Joyi
25. Rigondeaux
26. Broner
27. Alvarez
28 Chavez Jr
29. Matthysse
30. Lara

Just to explain the JMM 2 Pac 3 and Bradley 10, the logic behind it is obviously the fact that Pac has now been robbed, he has no right to be ahead of JMM and that Bradley should go down slightly after his performance which should have merited a loss.

Other than that. Not a bad list!!

[bazza12]

Originally Posted by idealista

Did you focus on boxer's potential, skills or resume? It's one of the worst p4p ranking I've seen (mainly after top10), no hate just sayin'.

See I think that's a ridiculous thing to say. These lists are entirely subjective, they are open for debate, but to just say that. Well, I look forward to seeing your ratings.

[bazza12]

Originally Posted by realdeal561

Wow. Gamboa at 17. That is a real low rating. Peterson is too high up

Why so? I personally don't put much at all in either the Mtagwa or Barros wins. Salido is a good win, Solis and Ponce De Leon are decent too. Another win along these lines and I would have him just outside my top 10.