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Old 10-13-2008, 09:16 AM   #1
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Default Greatest Boxers to NEVER win a World Title

Apologies if this has been done to death before - haven't been around these parts for a while.

2 names spring immediately to mind :

Yaqui Lopez & Bennie Briscoe.

I'm interested more in WHY you think they never managed to take that all important step to winning a title.

In Yaqui's case I think the level of 175lbs in his era was phenomenal and in another time Yaqui would more than likely have won the crown though he can be a little one-dimensional at times.

Bennie seemed to run hot & cold as well as suffering from class opposition primarily in Monzon & then Valdez. If he'd been a little more consistent then I think the "Bad One" could have won the title after Monzon vacated the scene. I certainly see Bennie winning it after Hagler's reign though a fanatasy match-up with Mike Mccallum would be a good 'un.

Anyway, would be interested in anyone's suggestions on this.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:25 AM   #2
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Sam, Sam, Joe, & Charley. To begin with.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:35 AM   #3
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Briscoe wasn't so much hot and cold as taking fights on short notice to make other fighters look good, often in their home towns.

Plus he was a long running member of the Philly circuit. Marvin Hagler lost to more then one of them over the course of his career (Lost to boths Watts and Monroe. Drew with Seales).

I really don't think any fighter would come out of such a talented pool of fighters unbeaten if he had to fight them all. And Briscoe did.

Not to mention fighting greats like Monzon twice, Valdez three times... Of course his record isn't going to be perfect.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:48 AM   #4
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James Scott, He beat many top contenders who later themselves recieved title shots.
Armando Muniz, Tough competitor, whom recieved numerous title opportunities & should have recieved the decision against the great Napoles.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:59 AM   #5
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Harry Wills has yet to be mentioned.

Ken Norton and Jerry Quarry are both well accomplished fighters from the 1970's, when you had 2 titles begin floating around. I bet if they were in their primes a decade or so later, they would have snagged a title in the ring. Norton was a champion, he just did not "win" his title. You can argue that he earned or deserved it, but he did not fight a specific fighter in a specific contest and win it.

It will be hard to think of any more modern fighters, because of the number of titlists we have running around.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:07 AM   #6
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Harry Wills has yet to be mentioned.

Ken Norton and Jerry Quarry are both well accomplished fighters from the 1970's, when you had 2 titles begin floating around. I bet if they were in their primes a decade or so later, they would have snagged a title in the ring. Norton was a champion, he just did not "win" his title. You can argue that he earned or deserved it, but he did not fight a specific fighter in a specific contest and win it.

It will be hard to think of any more modern fighters, because of the number of titlists we have running around.

in the modern day it has to be herol graham, that guy was blessed with a load of talent but never quite realised his potential.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:13 AM   #7
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in the modern day it has to be herol graham, that guy was blessed with a load of talent but never quite realised his potential.
Well, you could argue he picked up versions of alphabet titles himself.

Then again, so did Crawford Ashely. They certainly love giving their fighters chances over there.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:15 AM   #8
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Well, you could argue he picked up versions of alphabet titles himself.

Then again, so did Crawford Ashely. They certainly love giving their fighters chances over there.

what world titles did graham win ?
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:16 AM   #9
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Andrew Golota - he's about to fight for the fifth time for the belt on 20 Dec. But first he needs to handle Ray Austin in China
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:29 AM   #10
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what world titles did graham win ?
He won regional belts in the UK.

Not exactly world titles, but he was granted chances on end to win one over there
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:30 AM   #11
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Alan Rudkin had to fight 3 great bantam champs all at their peak when there was only 1 champ. Come close against Harada and Rose in Tokyo and Melbourne and went out on his shield against Olivares in Los Angeles.
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I'll say Ruben Castillo based on the quality of opposition he faced when he got shots: Salvador Sanchez, Alexis Arguello, Julio Cesar Chavez. He also lost a title fight to Juan Laporte.
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He won regional belts in the UK.

Not exactly world titles, but he was granted chances on end to win one over there

rightly so as well. he very nearly had julian jackson out of the fight until jackson did what he does best, one punch ko. he lost a split decision to the great mike mcallum and gave up boxing after his thrid failed attempt.
only one of these fights was in the uk, the mcallum fight
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:48 AM   #14
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Charles Burley
Harry Wills
Sam Langford
Lloyd Marshall
Holman Williams
Kid Chocolate
Bivins
David Tua
Herol Graham

BTW Norton briefly held the WBC
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:48 AM   #15
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No, I'm talking about the WBC International SMW title Graham won and defended in the UK.

He won the BBBofC British middleweight title too and defended it a few times.

But real titles? Yeah. Nothin'.
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