What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker - Page 2

young griffo · 06-28-2012, 01:51 AM

Marlon Starling was a beautiful counter puncher and defensively very,very good. Probably not in Whitakers class and I don't think he could out-skill him but by the same token I doubt anyone has an easy time with Marlon either.

MRBILL · 06-28-2012, 05:37 AM

Nobody from 1987 to 1993.............. Ramirez got a gift in '87 overseas.......

MR.BILL

Senor Pepe' · 06-28-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Popkins

What does strength have to do with out-countering or 'out-skilling' anyone?

Sweet Pea would be afraid to get too close to Emile,,,,,,,

meaning, he would be out-skilled 'mentally'.

young griffo · 06-28-2012, 08:07 AM

Are we selling Floyd Mayweather short?

He's a turd (matter of fact Pernell was a cocky shit also) but skill wise he belongs with Whitaker and his counter punching abilities are second to none.

As a matter of fact I'd almost go as far to say he's as good defesively as Pernell. if not better. At 35 he's had barely a legit KD and up until the Cotto fight hadn't ever been busted up in a fight. Mayweather's ability to avoid and counter an opponents blows with shoulder rolls and subtley of head movement (and unerring punch accuracy) is quite magnificent.

Whitaker-Floyd would really be a fight for the connoisseur's but likely to bore the shit out of everyone else and would be a very close match imo.

sweet_scientist · 06-28-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by young griffo

Are we selling Floyd Mayweather short?

He's a turd (matter of fact Pernell was a cocky shit also) but skill wise he belongs with Whitaker and his counter punching abilities are second to none.

As a matter of fact I'd almost go as far to say he's as good defesively as Pernell. if not better. At 35 he's had barely a legit KD and up until the Cotto fight hadn't ever been busted up in a fight. Mayweather's ability to avoid and counter an opponents blows with shoulder rolls and subtley of head movement (and unerring punch accuracy) is quite magnificent.

Whitaker-Floyd would really be a fight for the connoisseur's but likely to bore the shit out of everyone else and would be a very close match imo.

If Floyd is in the fight, it would be due more to speed than skill. He is clearly not as skilled as Whitaker.

young griffo · 06-28-2012, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

If Floyd is in the fight, it would be due more to speed than skill. He is clearly not as skilled as Whitaker.

Clearly?

I'll agree that Floyd doesn't have that innate radar that Pernell had to avoid incoming punches plus his footwork isn't nearly as good as Whitakers either but that low left hand, shoulder roll is a hard skill to execute for as long as Floyd has and I don't think I've seen anyone do it as successfully as Mayweather either. Plus his ability to counter off the roll is beautiful to watch (it even made his mismatch with Gatti worth a look).

Floyd has very good speed but it isn't his greatest strength it's his ability to combine his defense with a deadly accurate offense with sets him apart from the pack and likely would make a fight between them pretty close (given that Pernell possessed a much higher workrate).

Pernell and Floyd are both absolute masters of their craft all be it employing differing and unique styles but both are very,very highly skilled.

PowerPuncher · 06-28-2012, 08:54 AM

Hurtado, but that was a past prime Whitaker and it was Hurtado's height/range/speed

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Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

If Floyd is in the fight, it would be due more to speed than skill. He is clearly not as skilled as Whitaker.

Faster plus longer arms

KuRuPT · 06-28-2012, 12:08 PM

I was waiting for PP to say Floyd or for anybody to asy Floyd... I'm honestly surprised it took this long... I don't agree, but still surprised.

the cobra · 06-28-2012, 12:41 PM

Floyd's one of the guys I'd expect to get the better of Pea on the outside. He'd lose due to Whitaker's superior all-around game, but Floyd's a tad quicker, has longer arms, and a great right hand to catch Pea with if they were to just try and out-counter/out-potshot each other at a distance.

Senor Pepe' · 06-28-2012, 03:46 PM

Wilfred Benitez,,,,,,,

Could out counter-punch Sweet Pea, either at 140 lbs. or 147 lbs.

Would be one of the 'greatest tactical bouts'.

Popkins · 06-28-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

Sweet Pea would be afraid to get too close to Emile,,,,,,,

meaning, he would be out-skilled 'mentally'.

I don't know what this means.

Senor Pepe' · 06-28-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Popkins

I don't know what this means.

Maybe I should have said.......'Out-witted'.

To get the better of, by being more intelligent.

Using your brain is a skill too.

Emile would have 'feinted' Sweet Pea into defeat.

techks · 06-28-2012, 07:00 PM

Maybe Kid Chocolate.

I only see SRL, SRR, Benitez, Hearns, Leonard, Pep,etc. as clear chances to do this though.

red cobra · 06-28-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

Maybe I should have said.......'Out-witted'.

To get the better of, by being more intelligent.

Using your brain is a skill too.

Emile would have 'feinted' Sweet Pea into defeat.

Emile Griffith, when "on" was one smart cookie..as Gypsy Joe Harris and Dick Tiger found out. I think he'd be too strong for the Pea also. Griffith was erratic, but he was extremely intelliget.

KuRuPT · 06-29-2012, 11:44 AM

Emile Griffith is no Pea... and it really isn't that close.

06-28-2012, 01:51 AM	#16
young griffo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,978 vCash: 1000	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Marlon Starling was a beautiful counter puncher and defensively very,very good. Probably not in Whitakers class and I don't think he could out-skill him but by the same token I doubt anyone has an easy time with Marlon either.
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06-28-2012, 05:37 AM	#17
MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Nobody from 1987 to 1993.............. Ramirez got a gift in '87 overseas....... MR.BILL
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06-28-2012, 08:07 AM	#19
young griffo Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,978 vCash: 1000	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Are we selling Floyd Mayweather short? He's a turd (matter of fact Pernell was a cocky shit also) but skill wise he belongs with Whitaker and his counter punching abilities are second to none. As a matter of fact I'd almost go as far to say he's as good defesively as Pernell. if not better. At 35 he's had barely a legit KD and up until the Cotto fight hadn't ever been busted up in a fight. Mayweather's ability to avoid and counter an opponents blows with shoulder rolls and subtley of head movement (and unerring punch accuracy) is quite magnificent. Whitaker-Floyd would really be a fight for the connoisseur's but likely to bore the shit out of everyone else and would be a very close match imo.
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06-28-2012, 12:08 PM	#23
KuRuPT Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,600 vCash: 500	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker I was waiting for PP to say Floyd or for anybody to asy Floyd... I'm honestly surprised it took this long... I don't agree, but still surprised.
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06-28-2012, 12:41 PM	#24
the cobra Awesomeizationism! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,991 vCash: 1000	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Floyd's one of the guys I'd expect to get the better of Pea on the outside. He'd lose due to Whitaker's superior all-around game, but Floyd's a tad quicker, has longer arms, and a great right hand to catch Pea with if they were to just try and out-counter/out-potshot each other at a distance.
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06-28-2012, 03:46 PM	#25
Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Wilfred Benitez,,,,,,, Could out counter-punch Sweet Pea, either at 140 lbs. or 147 lbs. Would be one of the 'greatest tactical bouts'.
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06-28-2012, 07:00 PM	#28
techks ATG list Killah! East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: ......Bit stalkerish to ask where I live don't ya think? Posts: 10,906 vCash: 85	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Maybe Kid Chocolate. I only see SRL, SRR, Benitez, Hearns, Leonard, Pep,etc. as clear chances to do this though.
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06-29-2012, 11:44 AM	#30
KuRuPT Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,600 vCash: 500	Re: What fighter would out counter or out skill Whitaker Emile Griffith is no Pea... and it really isn't that close.
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