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Old 07-03-2012, 08:57 PM   #16
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Old 07-03-2012, 08:58 PM   #17
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MMA boxing, he trains wrestling and take down defense. There is a difference in stance, he boxes but is ready for a mma environment. I really just getting at they are two different sports, just because you suck a one doesn't mean you can't be dominant in the other.
MMA isn't a style it is Mixed Martial Arts, aka, do what you want within a rule set. There is no such thing as "MMA Boxing". There are Boxers who know how to defend take-downs and submissions.

MMA is just rules which lay out possibilities. You can train for whatever you want. Or not train as seen in the case of James Toney!
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:01 PM   #18
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When has an MMgay fighter KO'ed a former boxing champ at his own sport?

NEVER.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:02 PM   #19
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I thought Randy Couture leaning on a cage and hugging James Toney for 5 minutes already proved that MMA guys are tougher than boxers?

Dana White told me so.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:05 PM   #20
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And u have a better chin? Post videos of your fights hot shot?

And by the way i hate the ufc too
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:06 PM   #21
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Bullshit. With training, a boxer definitely has more of a chance to cross over if he truly wanted to. A strong puncher with good durability just needs to a learn a good take defense. A lot harder than it sounds, but a chinny MMA fighter crossing over a sport that's a specialized art has zero chance. Throw a prime Tyson in MMA and he would always have the potential to be lethal if he ever connects.
Read my post, I said without training. As if you just put a boxer in mma ring as is, he would end up on his back and not really have any answer for it. A mma fighter would get picked apart in a boxing ring but would last longer. It is true I believe a boxer stands a far greater chance to cross over into mma with training. Boxing is a takes a life time to learn, you don't just simply jumping into boxing overnight.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:11 PM   #22
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MMA isn't a style it is Mixed Martial Arts, aka, do what you want within a rule set. There is no such thing as "MMA Boxing". There are Boxers who know how to defend take-downs and submissions.

MMA is just rules which lay out possibilities. You can train for whatever you want. Or not train as seen in the case of James Toney!
Whatever, from someone who's never stepped foot in a ring. When I say mma boxing I mean he has to learn takedown defense which means you change your stance. I like Junior DOS Santos he's probably the best boxer in MMA but wouldn't hack in a real boxing ring.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:13 PM   #23
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I thought Randy Couture leaning on a cage and hugging James Toney for 5 minutes already proved that MMA guys are tougher than boxers?

Dana White told me so.
Toney was lumped up pretty badly. He applied a principal within his fighting game. I think it had more to do with Toney's lack of preparation and Dana White's desire to match Toney HORRIBLY.

Iron Boy was amazing at applying the principals of Boxing. I consider him a great fighter. Some may argue, but he knew his game.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:17 PM   #24
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Thank Dana for guys like Melvin who can still make money in combat sports, moreso in MMA than boxing in some cases.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:23 PM   #25
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Whatever, from someone who's never stepped foot in a ring. When I say mma boxing I mean he has to learn takedown defense which means you change your stance. I like Junior DOS Santos he's probably the best boxer in MMA but wouldn't hack in a real boxing ring.
What the hell are you talking about? I Box and did BJJ. I also spar with MT fighters. I was watching Pride and UFC where guys were coming in dressed in their respective combat sports garb probably before you knew MMA existed. Don't tell me what the hell I know. (...and nobody "knows" crap in fighting you ALWAYS are learning.)

Change your stance? WTF? I watch MMA all of the time. The stance a Boxer or Striker looking to land fists takes is as much offensive as it is defensive. Probe with the lead to set up the power. There is no magical MMA Boxing stance. There is only being prepared to recognize and defend a shot at the legs. Blow smoke up someone else's ass.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:32 PM   #26
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What the hell are you talking about? I Box and did BJJ. I also spar with MT fighters. I was watching Pride and UFC where guys were coming in dressed in their respective combat sports garb probably before you knew MMA existed. Don't tell me what the hell I know. (...and nobody "knows" crap in fighting you ALWAYS are learning.)

Change your stance? WTF? I watch MMA all of the time. The stance a Boxer or Striker looking to land fists takes is as much offensive as it is defensive. Probe with the lead to set up the power. There is no magical MMA Boxing stance. There is only being prepared to recognize and defend a shot at the legs. Blow smoke up someone else's ass.
Ok puff puff pass, on to the next one. Don't need to explain my credentials such a wast of time. 20 thousand post in 3 years, you did all that while spending all your time rackng up post on the net.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:38 PM   #27
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What the hell are you talking about? I Box and did BJJ. I also spar with MT fighters. I was watching Pride and UFC where guys were coming in dressed in their respective combat sports garb probably before you knew MMA existed. Don't tell me what the hell I know. (...and nobody "knows" crap in fighting you ALWAYS are learning.)

Change your stance? WTF? I watch MMA all of the time. The stance a Boxer or Striker looking to land fists takes is as much offensive as it is defensive. Probe with the lead to set up the power. There is no magical MMA Boxing stance. There is only being prepared to recognize and defend a shot at the legs. Blow smoke up someone else's ass.
I highly doubt that you've done any sort of MMA if you don't know that MMA trainers prefer to take your normal Boxing stance and square it up so that it's easier to sprawl on a shot. There are two things wrong with the traditional Boxing stance for MMA.

1. Standing at a perpendicular angle to your opponent hands him a single leg takedown and prevents you being able to transition to a sprawl position as quickly.

2. Having a heavy lead leg leaves you open to low kicks. You can't bring it up in time to check a roundhouse.

That is a Fact.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:45 PM   #28
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He is a guy with a lot of Athletic gifts speed and power. Its no secret he was a boxer before he went mma. I've tried boxing and martial arts plus wrestling, all are different. I will admit as a boxer I just couldn't hack it. it was never natural for me, I want to throw a kick to a guys head and was always better at wrestling.

Throw a mma guy in a boxing ring and he will most likely get picked apart, same as a boxer in a mma ring. A mma guy would fair better in a boxing ring then a boxer in mma without training. You just can't use a boxing stance u would end up on your back in mma.
Boxing is such a tiny slice of the combat arts. You have a guy that strictly focuses on that aspect you would expect him to be better than someone who doesn't. Not hard to figure out.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:53 PM   #29
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Leaving the lead leg in front as a bait for someone to kick can help get you a takedown, and also lead to a good sprawl against a mediocre takedown.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:54 PM   #30
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top 15 out of what, 20 lightweights?
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