Why did Forrest completely ruin Tito's farewell?!

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Stoo

No Haggis, you tried to pass off his Wife being pregnant as a valid excuse because Shogun legitimately had knee surgery and needed the money. Both men have losses this is true, but I think knee surgery is more valid than Pregnancy myself.

You yet again tried to turn this thread into a PRIDE v UFC bullshit, Rek pwned you, now you are back tracking

You need a new act kid

No Stoo, an excuse for one is the same as an excuse for the other.

Shogun doesn't get a pass for losing because he had knee surgery months before the fight. And Forrest doesn't get a pass for his wife having a baby. When they step into the cage, they must accept whatever happens- positive or negative - as contributing to their legacy. We might know that one fighter is diminished for whatever reason, but we have no way of knowing exactly how much or exactly how this would have impacted the fight. All we have is what actually happens in the cage.

JDS was injured in his title bout against Cain. If he had been outwrestled, we could complain that he wasn't 100%.* But he won the fight anyway, so it doesn't matter. As it wouldn't mattered if Shogun had walked through Forrest as expected.

It's not about "Fuck Shogun" or "Fuck PRIDE", it's just about reality vs speculation and opinion. All of my favourite fighters have suffered embarrassing losses that I wish they could take away. All fighters suffer that, it's part of the fight game.






* Postscript: I know Cain wasn't 100% either, but he lost quickly enough that it didn't matter )

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

No Stoo, an excuse for one is the same as an excuse for the other.

Shogun doesn't get a pass for losing because he had knee surgery months before the fight. And Forrest doesn't get a pass for his wife having a baby. When they step into the cage, they must accept whatever happens- positive or negative - as contributing to their legacy. We might know that one fighter is diminished for whatever reason, but we have no way of knowing exactly how much or exactly how this would have impacted the fight. All we have is what actually happens in the cage.

JDS was injured in his title bout against Cain. If he had been outwrestled, we could complain that he wasn't 100%.* But he won the fight anyway, so it doesn't matter. As it wouldn't mattered if Shogun had walked through Forrest as expected.

It's not about "Fuck Shogun" or "Fuck PRIDE", it's just about reality vs speculation and opinion. All of my favourite fighters have suffered embarrassing losses that I wish they could take away. All fighters suffer that, it's part of the fight game.

Why bring it up then dickhead More fucking backtracking

Originally Posted by Haggis McJackass

If the birth of your first child while you are thousands of miles away isn't an acceptable reason for not being 100% focused and ready to give your best fight, then nothing is. The mental game is no less important than the physical - Forrest made a career out of winning fights he was physically outmatched in simply because he had more heart and desire than his opponent. That night, he was only thinking about whether his wife and kid were OK, and how much he wanted the fight to be over so he could get back and see them as quickly as possible.

If, however you are recovering from surgery, then you lose all your excuses when you choose to step into the cage. If Shogun wasn't yet healthy the first time around, then he shouldn't have signed the fight. Forrest's loss is more excusable than Shogun's, especially with the distance in skill and greatness between them apparently being measured in light years.

You fucking hopeless Haggis, fucking hopeless

[Beouche]

cause he couldn't see the trees for the Forrest!

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beouche

cause he couldn't see the trees for the Forrest!

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Well...

No Haggis, you tried to pass off his Wife being pregnant as a valid excuse because Shogun legitimately had knee surgery and needed the money. Both men have losses this is true, but I think knee surgery is more valid than Pregnancy myself.

Reading it back, I should have used a rather than a .

With the bolded, this is opinion. What happens in the cage is reality. Personally, I think that Forrest should have been able to channel his emotions better in the rematch. But a focused and motivated Forrest would certainly have put up a much better contest. How much better? That's speculation. We only have what unfolded in the cage. That's why they make the fights.

Originally Posted by Stoo

You yet again tried to turn this thread into a PRIDE v UFC bullshit, Rek pwned you, now you are back tracking

I haven't mentioned PRIDE or disrespected Rua. I've watched him win his tournament, I respect the guy as a fighter. I'm not his biggest fan and I do think his PRIDE performances were steroid-fuelled, but he's obviously an exciting fighter with a strong legacy.

But I am of the opinion that once a fighter steps into the cage, any fighter, then he is fully responsible for his performance. If he loses, then he lost. By extension, if he wins, then he gets the credit. Shogun gets the credit for kicking Forrest's ass, and Forrest gets the credit for submitting him. Saying what would have happened if..... is bullshit. Sometimes, shit happens, you're not in good condition and you still win the fight.

If you're physically too old, then sure. But if you're injured or you're sick or your grandmother died.... well, that's just an excuse. And an excuse only serves to take credit away from the man who stepped into the cage, put himself on the line, and won the fight. That applies for GSP, for BJ Penn, for Struve, for all my favourite fighters.

[Stoo]

Im not even going to read that haggis, my final say is you are slowly becoming a forum wide joke of MoronoCunty proportions

Have a nice day

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Im not even going to read that haggis, my final say is you are slowly becoming a forum wide joke of MoronoCunty proportions

Have a nice day

I am not even taking a side or trying to start shit with anybody.

But you are determined to flutter around from thread to thread, taking bullshit little snipes at me wherever you see my posts. You are not interested in having a civil conversation with me at all, and there is nothing that I can type that will encourage you to do anything but respond with emoticons and one-line random insults. So how about you just do what I have suggested several times before, and just stop following me around trying to pick stupid little slap-fights with me.

[Stoo]

No

[Ne5ville14]

I'm so fuckin happy to have sitted out of this one...


Double standard in action like always....gotta love ESB

[Beouche]

ach well nev..... disagreements are a big part of any forum. dont always agree with stoo or the hag but they're both good at arguing (ive only had to whoop em a few times)

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by Beouche

ach well nev..... disagreements are a big part of any forum. dont always agree with stoo or the hag but they're both good at arguing (ive only had to whoop em a few times)

His last half-dozen posts in this thread:

Originally Posted by Stoo

Dont fuck with him Rek, he has vcash

Originally Posted by Stoo

Geez your funny when you are backtracking

Originally Posted by Stoo

Well...







No Haggis, you tried to pass off his Wife being pregnant as a valid excuse because Shogun legitimately had knee surgery and needed the money. Both men have losses this is true, but I think knee surgery is more valid than Pregnancy myself.

You yet again tried to turn this thread into a PRIDE v UFC bullshit, Rek pwned you, now you are back tracking

You need a new act kid

Originally Posted by Stoo

Why bring it up then dickhead More fucking backtracking





You fucking hopeless Haggis, fucking hopeless

Originally Posted by Stoo

Originally Posted by Stoo

Im not even going to read that haggis, my final say is you are slowly becoming a forum wide joke of MoronoCunty proportions

Have a nice day

Originally Posted by Stoo

No

That's not "good at arguing", mate. He's just a troll. That's what he likes to do on this forum. He could argue, he's capable of it, but he just likes to pick somebody to troll and be a dick to. If it's not me it's somebody else. That's what 90% of his posts are. Just him being a dick to somebody, using emoticons and short insults. And he follows you around yapping for your attention.

The part in red is highlighted because he is agreeing with what I was saying, yet he's so hung up on being a dick that he can't even do anything but throw schoolyard insults at me for no reason.

[SouthpawSlayer]

i know this is the internet haggis but aint you got any shame

[Haggis McJackass]

Originally Posted by SouthpawSlayer

i know this is the internet haggis but aint you got any shame

It gets a bit old, having this fucking guy follow me around sniffing my underwear in every single thread I post in.

Besides, I type and read really fast. So it's not like I'm sitting there laboriously typing out an essay. I never spend more than a minute or two on a reply.

[Stoo]

Anyway...Forrest Griffin...

[BewareofDawg]

Forrest acted like a complete douche