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Old 07-08-2012, 12:39 PM   #76
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:39 PM   #77
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Ali was x2 athlete Wlad is, x2 times the fighter, x5 the champion, most of Ali's notable opposition couldn't even use 99.9% of Wlads opposition as sparring partners, Ali proved his could stand in wars with boxing's best and come out on top. In FOTC, in deep waters, championship rounds, Ali gets up from a punch that would have knockedout most fighters - after spending all of 1 second on the mat, to finish the fight strong...and you bums want to cast Wlad in his shadow?
This!

Yes Prime Ali could pull-counter Wlad. Yes Prime Ali could slip Wlads jab. Easy to answer because Prime Ali could pull-counter and slip any heavy-weight's jab in history. If your question is slipping every jab in every round, the answer is no for Wlad and every other fighter in history.

Prime Ali would dance the entire fight control the distance and pace of the fight, move in get some work in, then back up before taking too much damage. He would hurt Wlad with a few flurries at some point, then move in for the kill. Prime Ali would STOP Wlad before round 8.
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:41 PM   #78
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:50 PM   #79
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Properly* butt hurt that Wlads so dominant
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:20 PM   #80
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Wlad has faced only ONE serious boxer in his entire life, a disinterested, unmotivated Lennox..and got TKO6. If Lennox actually had been in his prime he would have damn near killed Wlad, but people want to pretend he'd have a chance against Shavers, Liston, Norton..Frazier, Lyle, etc...


This idiot doesn't even know the difference between the two brothers, yet somehow feels he has the authority to lecture others on their lack of boxing knowledge.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:26 PM   #81
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In this case I believe Ali and Wlad both excel at their own distinct styles to the point that there's no blueprint to go on for predicting how the fight pans out. Neither fighter has been even close to getting outboxed during their prime years, and I don't think this is a fight where it's going to be decided by one big shot, so it comes down to boxing and stamina for me. Maybe Ali was good enough to outbox Wlad and get the decision. I just can't visualise this one and at this level I don't think it's enough to just go on attributes

Let's stick with Wlad, rather than talking about both brothers and confusing things. Wlad's best wins are probably Byrd, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Haye and the first fight with Peter. Thompson is not one of Wladimir's absolute best opponents. I know Wlad's resume isn't as good as Ali's, but at least list Wlad's best wins when you mention Foreman and Frazier

It's not really a question of figuring out. Everyone knows what Wlad does in the ring but nobody stops him doing it.

Mechanical, or textbook?
Easily the best post in the thread thus far, although, and no offence intended to you, there hasn't exactly been much competition. When people equate Bugner with Wlad, confuse and collate the two brothers and seriously put forward Shavers and Lyle as better opponents than Lennox then you know you're not exactly arguing with the smartest bunch on the block.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:32 PM   #82
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looks like boxing began in the 1990s for some
It looks like it ended in the 90's for others.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #84
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Wladimir is too careful to get his jab countered... how often do you see that?
The only time david hayes dumb ass let his hands go. If u think ali is scared lik haye was in that fight u smokin that good shit.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:07 PM   #85
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Easily the best post in the thread thus far, although, and no offence intended to you, there hasn't exactly been much competition. When people equate Bugner with Wlad, confuse and collate the two brothers and seriously put forward Shavers and Lyle as better opponents than Lennox then you know you're not exactly arguing with the smartest bunch on the block.
i think you're confusing the two brothers


people talking about ali beating bums. what is wlad's best win? haye? thompson? beating up a string of second-rate fighters (or getting ktfo by them) does not mean that you can do the same thing against the greatest heavyweight of the greatest era of heavyweight boxing of all time. what's next, chavez jr beating sugar ray?

as i said earlier, a legitimate question is whether wlad would have earned a shot in the era of foreman, frazier, norton et al, an era (just) before multiple belts and ten-a-penny 'world champions'.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:41 PM   #86
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Nope.
no Properly as in you are completely butt hurt.
A lot of people criticize this era as a way of demeaning Wlads reign as he has been so dominant post Steward.
If he was a slick American "G" this would be the greatest era ever according to some of you lot.
This obviously isn't the greatest era ever but given Wlads physical gifts he would be at least competitive in any era.
To say otherwise is either nostalgic or just plain hate
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What shots- Foreman was a punching bag that night.
Are you crazy? Foreman landed a ton of shots on Ali's ribs and hips from round 1-8. Maybe you should re watch the fight.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #88
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I confused the two brothers earlier in my post, but its convenient to focus on that and ignore the fact that Wlad doesn't have any serious boxing opponents on his list, the fact that Vitali fought Lennox and Wlad didn't just downrates Wlad on the boxing-scale of tape...so Wlad really and truly has never fought anyone worthwhile.

And this goes into the OP. Yes, he could have.
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Ali would mock both klits and make them his bitch
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:32 PM   #90
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I confused the two brothers earlier in my post, but its convenient to focus on that and ignore the fact that Wlad doesn't have any serious boxing opponents on his list, the fact that Vitali fought Lennox and Wlad didn't just downrates Wlad on the boxing-scale of tape...so Wlad really and truly has never fought anyone worthwhile.

And this goes into the OP. Yes, he could have.
The problem I have is that people generally were saying Haye was going to brutally KO him... When He doesnt Hayes shit. Same goes for any opponent that he beats, except for his last two opponents who were pretty shoddy.
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