Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it - Page 3

devon · 07-10-2012, 03:26 AM

most people agree with me the poll shows so Ali wins

Chappy112 · 07-10-2012, 06:23 AM

Going by the poll most see the way I do except Vitali is slightly favoured over Tyson which I can see tbh, it was the hardest to choose between those two I just think Tyson is too fast and would get inside. Even Vitali's chin couldn't take huge bombs from a prime Tyson for very long.

HerolGee · 07-10-2012, 06:29 AM

why is Vitali mentioned?

Kittikasem · 07-10-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FelixTrinidad

These are the four guys that I hear about the most from boxing pundits and rabid boxing fans across sites in regards to h2h match ups based on their abilities and fighting styles.

Best of 3 trilogies
Prime Lewis
Prime Vitali
Prime Tyson
Prime Ali

70's Foreman deserves a mention, but the above four had the most fan support.

So who will win the most 'best of 3' trilogies?

All four are great heavyweight fighters, but ultimately in a round-robin:

Ali
Tyson
Lewis
Vitali

Can see Ali outpointing Tyson over the course or maybe stopping him late, Tyson knocking out Lewis, Tyson outpointing Vitali, and Lewis outpointing Vitali.

FJay · 07-10-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JeanPaulValley

When Lewis fought Holyfield,Holyfield was almost 40 years old and had trouble beating guys like Vaugh Bean yet here comes Lennox ready to fight him all of a sudden.

Lewis had called out Holyfield since he beat Tyson in their rematch, Don king wouldn't let Holyfield fight Lewis unless Lewis agreed to sign with King should he win. Nothing to do with being "ready to fight him all of a sudden". He called both him and Tyson out at earlier stages in their careers but both camps refused.

RJD88 · 07-10-2012, 07:24 AM

If we talking pure H2H with each fighter coming in around their career prime weight I'd have Lewis.

Lennox matches up well with every other fighter in history by be being at least even in size or having a great advantage. He is also a certified ATG and however stupid his loses were, he did avenge them and in a hypothetical round robin tournament that would have to be taken into consideration.

I'd rank them Ali, Lewis. Tyson, Vitali in terms of ability. I believe they are all capable of beating each other except I don't think Tyson could beat Vitali but he would stand a chance against Ali or Lewis.

I don't put it beyond Ali to beat Lewis in a fantasy fight but on paper I'd have to give Lewis an edge.

McGrain · 07-10-2012, 07:29 AM

I'd probably go for Ali then Louis.

fieras90 · 07-10-2012, 07:30 AM

Lewis
Ali
Vitaly
Tyson

Earl-hickey · 07-10-2012, 07:31 AM

it's either Lewis or Ali

Vladimir23 · 07-10-2012, 07:40 AM

Quotes from Steward:

“Wladimir is gonna be the one I don’t think I could train a man to beat the way he is. I’m serious. I’ve never had a fighter – I went from Holyfield and all the guys I’ve worked with, never, Lennox – Wladimir is a very, very committed, very difficult fighter to beat. Because he won’t let you fight him. He makes you fight what he wants you to fight. But the biggest thing which I think people are not looking at is his speed for a big man. Tremendous speed. Foot Speed. He can move in, explode, move out, move back in, explode, and I’ve never seen anyone that could…move in and out and be in perfect balance,”

"Wladimir has better one-punch knockout capability than Lennox"

"Wlad has the best footwork, coordination and balance of any fighter I ever worked with. He’s the most accurate, single-punch knockout guy I have ever seen. A guy can be completely fine, not hurt, and Wladimir can put his lights out with one shot."

"Wladimir’s coordination is better and he is the most powerful natural talent than any other heavyweight I have worked with."

"In terms of jab, Wladimir is the best and after him I would put Lennox. In terms of boxing arsenal, Wladimir is better than Lennox."

Vladimir23 · 07-10-2012, 07:44 AM

Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice.

Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial bullshit doctor stoppage. Lewis barely survived the 2nd round and almost got KO'd, he was out on his feet, badly hurt, holding on for dear life, wobbling everywhere and staggering around the ring like a drunk. Lewis was badly hurt several times in the fight and was getting outslugged, outworked, outmuscled, outclassed, outlanded and outboxed by Vitali.

punches landed

Vitali 156

Lewis 102

Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued.

After the fight, Vitali intimidated the shit out of Lewis and made him look like a bitch. The whole crowd cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis.

Lewis promised Vitali a rematch.

Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The gutless coward Lewis retired shortly after that fight.

Lewis turned down 40 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali.

Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement.

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George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!"

Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight"

Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch.

Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.

king khan · 07-10-2012, 07:44 AM

It's definitely Muhammad Ali. . . IMO, it's not really even close.

Vladimir23 · 07-10-2012, 07:45 AM

Everyone knows it was a controversial bullshit doctor stoppage.

Vitali got robbed. The corrupt doctor and ref were on Lennox's payroll.

It should've been a TD6 for Vitali.

Official Scorecards

Pat Russell: Vitali 58-56

James Jen-Kin: Vitali 58-56

Tom Kaczmarek: Vitali 58-56

Sky Sports: Vitali 58-56

HBO: Vitali 58-56

Lennox's mom: Vitali 58-56

Vitali wasn't even in his prime yet.

Lewis was still in his prime at 37. He was coming of the win over Tyson. In the post fight interview Lewis said "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age"

Before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years"

Vitali whooped his ass, dominated him and scared him into retirement.

Vitali and Wlad have both easily surpassed Lewis.

Vladimir23 · 07-10-2012, 07:45 AM

Wlad dominates Lewis like Vitali did and knocks him out like McCall and Rahman did.

Earl-hickey · 07-10-2012, 07:45 AM

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07-10-2012, 03:26 AM	#31
devon *erator ESB Senior Member** Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,253 vCash: 248	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it most people agree with me the poll shows so Ali wins
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07-10-2012, 06:23 AM	#32
Chappy112 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,029 vCash: 4200	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it Going by the poll most see the way I do except Vitali is slightly favoured over Tyson which I can see tbh, it was the hardest to choose between those two I just think Tyson is too fast and would get inside. Even Vitali's chin couldn't take huge bombs from a prime Tyson for very long.
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07-10-2012, 06:29 AM	#33
HerolGee Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,446 vCash: 500	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it why is Vitali mentioned?
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07-10-2012, 07:24 AM	#36
RJD88 The Icon ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 516 vCash: 500	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it If we talking pure H2H with each fighter coming in around their career prime weight I'd have Lewis. Lennox matches up well with every other fighter in history by be being at least even in size or having a great advantage. He is also a certified ATG and however stupid his loses were, he did avenge them and in a hypothetical round robin tournament that would have to be taken into consideration. I'd rank them Ali, Lewis. Tyson, Vitali in terms of ability. I believe they are all capable of beating each other except I don't think Tyson could beat Vitali but he would stand a chance against Ali or Lewis. I don't put it beyond Ali to beat Lewis in a fantasy fight but on paper I'd have to give Lewis an edge.
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07-10-2012, 07:29 AM	#37
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,251 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it I'd probably go for Ali then Louis.
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View Poll Results: Who is the best h2h heavyweight
Prime Lewis	58	36.02%
Prime Tyson	24	14.91%
Prime Ali	59	36.65%
Prime Vitali	20	12.42%
Voters: 161. You may not vote on this poll

07-10-2012, 07:30 AM	#38
fieras90 Journeyman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 94 vCash: 400	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it Lewis Ali Vitaly Tyson
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07-10-2012, 07:31 AM	#39
Earl-hickey Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 10,024 vCash: 765	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it it's either Lewis or Ali
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07-10-2012, 07:40 AM	#40
Vladimir23 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,500 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it Quotes from Steward: “Wladimir is gonna be the one I don’t think I could train a man to beat the way he is. I’m serious. I’ve never had a fighter – I went from Holyfield and all the guys I’ve worked with, never, Lennox – Wladimir is a very, very committed, very difficult fighter to beat. Because he won’t let you fight him. He makes you fight what he wants you to fight. But the biggest thing which I think people are not looking at is his speed for a big man. Tremendous speed. Foot Speed. He can move in, explode, move out, move back in, explode, and I’ve never seen anyone that could…move in and out and be in perfect balance,” "Wladimir has better one-punch knockout capability than Lennox" "Wlad has the best footwork, coordination and balance of any fighter I ever worked with. He’s the most accurate, single-punch knockout guy I have ever seen. A guy can be completely fine, not hurt, and Wladimir can put his lights out with one shot." "Wladimir’s coordination is better and he is the most powerful natural talent than any other heavyweight I have worked with." "In terms of jab, Wladimir is the best and after him I would put Lennox. In terms of boxing arsenal, Wladimir is better than Lennox."
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07-10-2012, 07:44 AM	#41
Vladimir23 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,500 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it Vitali took the fight on just 10 days notice. Vitali was clearly winning the fight 4-2 on all 3 scorecards at the time of the controversial bullshit doctor stoppage. Lewis barely survived the 2nd round and almost got KO'd, he was out on his feet, badly hurt, holding on for dear life, wobbling everywhere and staggering around the ring like a drunk. Lewis was badly hurt several times in the fight and was getting outslugged, outworked, outmuscled, outclassed, outlanded and outboxed by Vitali. punches landed Vitali 156 Lewis 102 Lewis was exhausted, worn down and hurt from the accumulation of punches and was ready to get KTFO again, he collapsed onto his stool at the end of the 6th round, Vitali was clearly the fresher of the two, he would've KO'd Lewis for sure if the fight had continued. After the fight, Vitali intimidated the shit out of Lewis and made him look like a bitch. The whole crowd cheered for Vitali and booed Lewis. Lewis promised Vitali a rematch. Vitali destroyed Kirk Johnson in 2 rounds and called out Lewis again in the post fight interview. The gutless coward Lewis retired shortly after that fight. Lewis turned down 40 million dollars for a rematch and retired like a coward because he knew he would get destroyed by Vitali. Vitali dominated Lewis and scared his bitch ass into retirement. http://i34.tinypic.com/izb4on.gif George Foreman: "Vitali was winning the fight. Lewis got lucky. There has to be a rematch!" Jim Lampley: "A lucky escape for Lewis who was clearly losing the fight" Even Emanuel Steward was upset and pissed off at Lewis for blatantly ducking a Vitali rematch. Lewis is scared to death of Vitali.
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07-10-2012, 07:44 AM	#42
king khan Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,929 vCash: 185	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it It's definitely Muhammad Ali. . . IMO, it's not really even close.
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07-10-2012, 07:45 AM	#43
Vladimir23 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,500 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Truly is the HW H2H Goat. Let's hear it Everyone knows it was a controversial bullshit doctor stoppage. Vitali got robbed. The corrupt doctor and ref were on Lennox's payroll. It should've been a TD6 for Vitali. Official Scorecards Pat Russell: Vitali 58-56 James Jen-Kin: Vitali 58-56 Tom Kaczmarek: Vitali 58-56 Sky Sports: Vitali 58-56 HBO: Vitali 58-56 Lennox's mom: Vitali 58-56 Vitali wasn't even in his prime yet. Lewis was still in his prime at 37. He was coming of the win over Tyson. In the post fight interview Lewis said "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age" Before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years" Vitali whooped his ass, dominated him and scared him into retirement. Vitali and Wlad have both easily surpassed Lewis.
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