Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ??

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 07-10-2012, 04:22 PM

I´m interested to know.......

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McGrain · 07-10-2012, 04:23 PM

They're interchangeable. It is very close between them for me.

8-14 is the range I like but I can see them higher.

the cobra · 07-10-2012, 04:24 PM

I've got Johnson 3 spots higher.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 07-10-2012, 04:25 PM

In the past I rated Johnson very high and higher than Dempsey......now ? I´m not sure anymore.....
They are very close. but I lean towards to Dempsey tbh......he seems better on film IMO, that´s the main reason to me.

LittleRed · 07-10-2012, 04:26 PM

I voted tough to say because I'm a *****.

KuRuPT · 07-10-2012, 04:34 PM

Johnson and IMO it isn't THAT close... They are both all time greats.. I just happen to believe Johnson Greatness is clearly above that of Dempsey's

janitor · 07-10-2012, 04:37 PM

In terms of resume and historical standing, I would have to say Johnson.

robert ungurean · 07-10-2012, 04:58 PM

Dempsey

BillB · 07-10-2012, 06:05 PM

Johnson.

I'll defer to someone who actually saw them both fight.

Nat Fleischer rated Johnson at #1 and Dempsey #4.

I don't know any better than that.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 07-10-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BillB

Johnson.

I'll defer to someone who actually saw them both fight.

Nat Fleischer rated Johnson at #1 and Dempsey #4.

I don't know any better than that.

Yeah, but Nat Fleisher also rated Corbett over Louis and Marciano.....

BillB · 07-10-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic-JofreBRASIL

Yeah, but Nat Fleisher also rated Corbett over Louis and Marciano.....

He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.

Vic-JofreBRASIL · 07-10-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BillB

He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.

Oh c´mon.....
Louis was the most dominant fighter of all time in any division....Corbett, with 14 wins in his whole career is clearly not greater than him. Unless he was talking about H2H, which would be hard to argue also because they are all related criterias anyway...but perhaps would make more sense......
Hey, I respect a lot what writers of the old days said....but your argument was just too simple and don´t tell the whole story....

PowerPuncher · 07-10-2012, 06:51 PM

Goto be Johnson

Resume - Johnson, fought everyone in his era, albeit maybe not at the right times.
Longevity - Johnson fighting at the top level for 13years
Dominance - both pretty dominant, although Johnson more so, Dempsey has more draw/losses near his prime
H2H - I'd say Johnson is more complete at figuring out different styles

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Originally Posted by BillB

He may have been right. I never saw Corbett. Fleischer did.

Did he though? Fleischer was 10 when Corbett lost to Fitz, 11 when Corbett lost to Sharkey and 13 when he lost to Jeffries for the first time

If he rated Corbett highly it was based on piecing together history, much like we do

Asterion · 07-10-2012, 08:23 PM

I rate Johnson higher.

Both are overrated, in my opinion.

kmcc505 · 07-10-2012, 10:42 PM

Dempsey. I'd argue that many people rate Johnson so high because Fleisher did. Not saying its right or wrong. AP writers or something similar voted Dempsey the best fighter of the first half century.

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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 34,759 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? They're interchangeable. It is very close between them for me. 8-14 is the range I like but I can see them higher.
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the cobra Awesomeizationism! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,914 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? I've got Johnson 3 spots higher.
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Vic-JofreBRASIL Vic East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Santos Posts: 8,653 vCash: 1166	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? In the past I rated Johnson very high and higher than Dempsey......now ? I´m not sure anymore..... They are very close. but I lean towards to Dempsey tbh......he seems better on film IMO, that´s the main reason to me.
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LittleRed Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Yoknapatawpha Posts: 2,580 vCash: 475	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? I voted tough to say because I'm a *****.
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KuRuPT Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,628 vCash: 500	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? Johnson and IMO it isn't THAT close... They are both all time greats.. I just happen to believe Johnson Greatness is clearly above that of Dempsey's
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robert ungurean Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: liftin 3 kettlebells in pa.usa Posts: 2,136 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? Dempsey
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BillB Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 605 vCash: 500	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? Johnson. I'll defer to someone who actually saw them both fight. Nat Fleischer rated Johnson at #1 and Dempsey #4. I don't know any better than that.
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Asterion Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,870 vCash: 75	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? I rate Johnson higher. Both are overrated, in my opinion.
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kmcc505 Sweet Scientist ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 444 vCash: 1000	Re: Who Do You Rate Higher: Jack Dempsey or Jack Johnson ?? Dempsey. I'd argue that many people rate Johnson so high because Fleisher did. Not saying its right or wrong. AP writers or something similar voted Dempsey the best fighter of the first half century.
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