We can all agree Canelo has the tools to be a GREAT fighter right.... - Page 2

IntentionalButt · 07-11-2012, 03:46 PM

Yeah, I don't know why GBP aren't showing more confidence in him and are somewhat babying him...but it must be said that JCC Jr. was babied FAR worse at this point in his career (and far beyond)

bronx · 07-11-2012, 03:53 PM

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I think its Disrespectful to JLO to undermine him so much, dude broke Ortiz's jaw, showed much better heart, boxing ability, and guts then ORTIZ who was supposed to steamroll him... JLO did earn his shot and Money payday if he so decides to sign, no one is forcing him. Dude is on a career high.... that Mindset creates upsets.

Still, GBP is fucking up we KNOW Canelo is El DINERO of the future, but don't baby him to much or he won't grow and when they put him up with a challenge he might not perform...

GBP is taking care of their cash cow to much, CANELO wants MAYWEATHER/MARTINEZ/COTTO, and GBP rejects it for later....

SMH....

I think that they need to let him loose right after this fight and let him swim with the big fish, Cotto first then Lara and then Mayweather

ashl3y72 · 07-11-2012, 03:55 PM

Really haven't seen any sort of "Specialness" in Canelo yet. He is a decent enough fighter. Tough, with decent all around skills. But nothing that really stands out.

Hopefully we see soon against top Comp.

bronx · 07-11-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Yeah, I don't know why GBP aren't showing more confidence in him and are somewhat babying him...but it must be said that JCC Jr. was babied FAR worse at this point in his career (and far beyond)

yeah but he did not have an amateur career so it is more understandable IMO

bronx · 07-11-2012, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by daprofessor

no, we can't all agree that canelo is a special fighter.

he's been benefitting from favorable match making much the same way pac was on his "rise." canelo is good....but he is outgrowing the division and won't be anything at middleweight because he's too small. right now he has a size/strength advantage...but he doesn't fight for 3 minutes. anyone who can push the pace on him and utilize some good defense can beat him.

alright then most of us can agree

PrinceN · 07-11-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bronx

I think that they need to let him loose right after this fight and let him swim with the big fish, Cotto first then Lara and then Mayweather

why in the world would anybody fight Cotto then after that fight Lara? Are you retarded ? Why fight Lara after beating Cotto?

BigReg · 07-11-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atritionist

That's the problem right there, all those 154 contenders you mentioned up top are more deserving of a shot. Being that they are solid 154 contenders I think the public would of gave Canelo more respect as a Champ is he would of fought one of them like a true Champ should.

No one would give a shit if he were to beat someone like Rosado or Quintana. Start thinking outside of this forum. Those guys are no names. Rosado is building a solid resume. But he just stepped onto the scene. He could be a dangerous opponent, but his lack of a resume and name recognition makes that fight non sensical to make. And how is Quintana a solid contender? Who has he beat? That is not an intriguing fight. Williams, Kirkland, Ortiz all would've been good fights for Canelo. Unfortunately, they all fell by the wayside.

bronx · 07-11-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PrinceN

why in the world would anybody fight Cotto then after that fight Lara? Are you retarded ? Why fight Lara after beating Cotto?

You got a Justi'n Beiber AVY which means you don't know shit about boxing.

he fights Lara to get ready for a crafty counter puncher like Mayweather

JoeCamelTow · 07-11-2012, 04:38 PM

Some here are acting as if they don't understand how this business works.

Canelo is a commodity now and if anyone of us was moving him we would do as much as possible to increase it's worth.

Agree with most that these fights are incresing Canelo's name recognition(although not all is positive) but they're doing nothing to prepare Canelo when he steps it up.

jeffjoiner · 07-11-2012, 04:41 PM

Canelo has the look for a true champion, somebody who will be discussed for years. That is not to say he is the complete package right now. However, there is no justifiable reason for him to fight a 140 pounder when he would also be heavily favored in a unification fight in his own division.

Atritionist · 07-11-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigReg

No one would give a shit if he were to beat someone like Rosado or Quintana. Start thinking outside of this forum. Those guys are no names. Rosado is building a solid resume. But he just stepped onto the scene. He could be a dangerous opponent, but his lack of a resume and name recognition makes that fight non sensical to make. And how is Quintana a solid contender? Who has he beat? That is not an intriguing fight. Williams, Kirkland, Ortiz all would've been good fights for Canelo. Unfortunately, they all fell by the wayside.

Both Rosado and Quintana are better 154 contenders then Alfonso Gomez or Ryan Rhodes were when they both got their shot at Canelo. At least I think so.

Atritionist · 07-11-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffjoiner

Canelo has the look for a true champion, somebody who will be discussed for years. That is not to say he is the complete package right now. However, there is no justifiable reason for him to fight a 140 pounder when he would also be heavily favored in a unification fight in his own division.

Agreed

puncherschance · 07-11-2012, 05:01 PM

canelo is a champion, he should be fighting the contenders. i agree he is not ready for most of the contenders. he should have got a few more wins before going for a title. he does have great skills and in a year or two he could be great. only time will tell and its a tough call, dont baby him and he could lose his star money making power, baby him too much and he wont improve.

daprofessor · 07-11-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Atritionist

Both Rosado and Quintana are better 154 contenders then Alfonso Gomez or Ryan Rhodes were when they both got their shot at Canelo. At least I think so.

i think both have a great shot at beating him.

L.J.KEYS. · 07-11-2012, 06:53 PM

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Then why the fuck is Golden Boy fucking up his progress?

He wants to fight Cotto and Mayweather and all the big names, although I think both beat him at this point. Mayweather more so than Cotto. I can see him knocking Cotto the fuck out and giving Maytheather a tough, tough fight due to his size, solid body work, exceptional power and veteran like poise.

The guy looks like a fucking movie star. He can clearly box, very very well. He hits very, very hard and has an exciting fighting style. He is Mexican which means he has a huge fan base from the get. it just seems like he is to good to be true.

He seems like a nice guy, but Golden boy is undermining him. Is it a chin issue with him? I saw the Jose Cotto shot and he was not really hurt at all. Why are they not letting this beast loose to show the world what he can do?

What do you guys think the problem is? Is he just too young because that is a stupid reason look at Tyson, Patterson and Benitez.

hes 21....

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ashl3y72 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Pittsb Posts: 1,564 vCash: 196	Re: We can all agree Canelo has the tools to be a GREAT fighter right.... Really haven't seen any sort of "Specialness" in Canelo yet. He is a decent enough fighter. Tough, with decent all around skills. But nothing that really stands out. Hopefully we see soon against top Comp.
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JoeCamelTow Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,242 vCash: 500	Re: We can all agree Canelo has the tools to be a GREAT fighter right.... Some here are acting as if they don't understand how this business works. Canelo is a commodity now and if anyone of us was moving him we would do as much as possible to increase it's worth. Agree with most that these fights are incresing Canelo's name recognition(although not all is positive) but they're doing nothing to prepare Canelo when he steps it up.
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jeffjoiner Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Trying to make a dollar Posts: 10,101 vCash: 5174	Re: We can all agree Canelo has the tools to be a GREAT fighter right.... Canelo has the look for a true champion, somebody who will be discussed for years. That is not to say he is the complete package right now. However, there is no justifiable reason for him to fight a 140 pounder when he would also be heavily favored in a unification fight in his own division.
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puncherschance Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 228 vCash: 500	Re: We can all agree Canelo has the tools to be a GREAT fighter right.... canelo is a champion, he should be fighting the contenders. i agree he is not ready for most of the contenders. he should have got a few more wins before going for a title. he does have great skills and in a year or two he could be great. only time will tell and its a tough call, dont baby him and he could lose his star money making power, baby him too much and he wont improve.
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