The Silva vs Fedor rivalry

[SkillsSoSmooth]

I was just thinking, as this sport continues to grow over the years to come, this actually might be the rivalry that lives long in the memory even though the two have never fought and barely said a word about eachother!! ,

In boxing has there ever been a time when two active fighters had claim to being the "goat"? i mean i know right now we've got Mayweather and Pac in the same era, but they've never been called "goats" even though i believe Mayweather's skills will be revered long after he's gone,

Fedor held the crown for so long until Anderson slowly creeped up on him, i remember one perticular night when Fedor beat Sylvia in the first round and everyone was going nuts saying "he's the greatest" and then an hour later Silva ko's Irving in one round and then many were saying "no, Silva's the greatest", at it's height the rivalry was great to see and i wonder if we'll ever see two p4p kings compete like that again? i hope so.

[afterglow]

Nobody said Silva was the greatest when he KO'ed that can James Irvin.

They were saying he was P4P # 1 tho.

[SkillsSoSmooth]

Originally Posted by afterglow

Nobody said Silva was the greatest when he KO'ed that can James Irvin.

They were saying he was P4P # 1 tho.

Yep, which is funny considering Fedor was still undefeated at the time!! , to me thats what makes Silva's rise all the more stunning because he challenged for the crown even before Fedor started to decline.

[afterglow]

Originally Posted by SkillsSoSmooth

Yep, which is funny considering Fedor was still undefeated at the time!! , to me thats what makes Silva's rise all the more stunning because he challenged for the crown even before Fedor started to decline.

Nobody even come close to talking about him as GOAT probably till he beat Forrest. And Fedor's decline started after the Sylvia fight.

[SkillsSoSmooth]

Originally Posted by afterglow

Nobody even come close to talking about him as GOAT probably till he beat Forrest. And Fedor's decline started after the Sylvia fight.

I don't know about that, he beat Arlovski in one round didn't he? i'd say the cracks started appearing against rogers first.

[KERRIGAN]

Originally Posted by SkillsSoSmooth

I don't know about that, he beat Arlovski in one round didn't he? i'd say the cracks started appearing against rogers first.

Arlovski's boxing had Fedor backing up and looking shaken, but then Arlovski decided to go all Hollywood, and got fucked up.

Arlovski is possibly the most stupid bastard to ever be a UFC champ.

[ufoalf]

Originally Posted by KERRIGAN

Arlovski's boxing had Fedor backing up and looking shaken, but then Arlovski decided to go all Hollywood, and got fucked up.

Arlovski is possibly the most stupid bastard to ever be a UFC champ.

Arlovski didn't land anything significant at all. Camera angles and Fedors weird dodging made it look very unfavorable fight for Fedor. If you watch the fight carefully the most significant strike was that front kick by Arlovski, which Fedor "rolled" with anyways.

[monaroCountry]

Dagwood at Global MMA perfectly summed up why I think Anderson cant be considered GOAT material, especially after Fedor who gets outweighed by nearly all of his opponents, sometimes by 60 plus lbs.

In my day... the great boxers would have been shamed off the face of the earth for dropping weight classes for easier competition. The best moved up when they had no more real competition in their weight class. If not, their careers would have been severely downgraded by boxing historians.

On a side note.. You put Muhammad Ali next to Anderson he's the same size. Ali never cut weight. He walked around and fought at 205 - 220 during his prime. Haha!


Prime Ali
Height: 6 ft 3 in
Weight: 205 - 220 lbs (walk around/no cut)
Reach: 80 in


Prime Anderson
Height: 6 ft 2 in
Weight: 185 lbs (cutting down from up to 220 lbs)
Reach: 77 in


If Anderson fought 'only' up to MW for his career there still would be a good case for saying he hid there when he was physically as big as any UFC LHW (see weigh in square off vs Griffin). The fact that he won comfortably a LHW two times demolishing a recent champion while not looking out-powered or undersized says a lot. I'm sure every pro boxer even today would say Anderson dropping back down to MW for much weaker competition was more than a bit of a womanly move. Like I said... sports historians don't look kindly on those things when making their GOAT lists down the road.

[SkillsSoSmooth]

That argument doesn't stack up considering Andersons started his career at WELTER WEIGHT!! , futhermore can someone provide the link that confirms that Anderson has been cutting from 220? because i could have sworn i read the other day that it was around 205, and when think about people like Jon Jones who enters the cage well over that weight i can't see how anyone could argue that Anderson belongs in that division,

The man cuts weight EASILY every fight, infact he's had less problems than the likes of Sonnen who has looked drained in his last two fights,

Lastly the goat argument should be about skills and results, and when you look at Fedor being ko'd by the likes of Henderson then it doesn't reflect well on the notion that he's the "best ever".

[Thom]

Originally Posted by SkillsSoSmooth

That argument doesn't stack up considering Andersons started his career at WELTER WEIGHT!! , futhermore can someone provide the link that confirms that Anderson has been cutting from 220? because i could have sworn i read the other day that it was around 205, and when think about people like Jon Jones who enters the cage well over that weight i can't see how anyone could argue that Anderson belongs in that division,

The man cuts weight EASILY every fight, infact he's had less problems than the likes of Sonnen who has looked drained in his last two fights,

Lastly the goat argument should be about skills and results, and when you look at Fedor being ko'd by the likes of Henderson then it doesn't reflect well on the notion that he's the "best ever".

Anderson doesn't cut from 220. He blows up to that weight in between fights when he's not training. He cuts from around 200 when he's in shape. I wouldn't bother getting worked up about it though. Most people who are "fans" of the sport seem to be fucking clueless about weight cutting and who belongs in what division. That's why you consistently hear about Jones and Anderson being too big for their respective classes when neither has any trouble making weight.

And the guy who wrote that post attacking Silva is a fucking imbecile. You can't compare MMA to the HW boxing scene several decades ago. When Ali fought, most Heavyweights weighed close to 200 lbs, and the Cruiserweight division didn't exist so there was no viable option for any of those guys to cut down to if they couldn't hack it there. I could go on, but I'd just be responding to an MC troll job.

[Stoo]

Lewis Tko 6!

[monaroCountry]

Originally Posted by Thom

Anderson doesn't cut from 220. He blows up to that weight in between fights when he's not training. He cuts from around 200 when he's in shape. I wouldn't bother getting worked up about it though. Most people who are "fans" of the sport seem to be fucking clueless about weight cutting and who belongs in what division. That's why you consistently hear about Jones and Anderson being too big for their respective classes when neither has any trouble making weight.

And the guy who wrote that post attacking Silva is a fucking imbecile. You can't compare MMA to the HW boxing scene several decades ago. When Ali fought, most Heavyweights weighed close to 200 lbs, and the Cruiserweight division didn't exist so there was no viable option for any of those guys to cut down to if they couldn't hack it there. I could go on, but I'd just be responding to an MC troll job.

He blows up in weight to 220 and he cuts from that weight. Isnt there an interview of this somewhere. In anycase it just shows that Anderson is happy enough to stay in a lower weight division where he nearly always has the physical advantage. It just shows that he doesnt really fight the best fighter that he can possibly fight. Fedor on the otherhand fought guys far bigger and both specialists, non specialists and basically just about anyone and many champions from all over the place.

Anderson can stay in his weight division all his career, maybe he could rematch Sonnen for the 7th time.

[Will Munny]

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

He blows up in weight to 220 and he cuts from that weight. Isnt there an interview of this somewhere. In anycase it just shows that Anderson is happy enough to stay in a lower weight division where he nearly always has the physical advantage. It just shows that he doesnt really fight the best fighter that he can possibly fight. Fedor on the otherhand fought guys far bigger and both specialists, non specialists and basically just about anyone and many champions from all over the place.

Anderson can stay in his weight division all his career, maybe he could rematch Sonnen for the 7th time.

And he can't even win there without cheating.

[Thom]

Originally Posted by monaroCountry

He blows up in weight to 220 and he cuts from that weight. Isnt there an interview of this somewhere. In anycase it just shows that Anderson is happy enough to stay in a lower weight division where he nearly always has the physical advantage. It just shows that he doesnt really fight the best fighter that he can possibly fight. Fedor on the otherhand fought guys far bigger and both specialists, non specialists and basically just about anyone and many champions from all over the place.

Anderson can stay in his weight division all his career, maybe he could rematch Sonnen for the 7th time.

He gets fat in between fights and cuts from around 200 after he sheds excess weight in camp.

[kel]

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That doesn't look like a body that cuts weight

No way he is an extra 35lbs walking around naturally between fights, unless he is doing a Hatton

He could strip to 170lbs if he tried hard enough