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Old 07-13-2012, 01:37 PM   #31
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All I have done is stated facts.
Understood but if I where to ask you if Chad Dawson had any chance at defeating Joe you would struggle to even consider the possibilty of him having a competitive fight with Chad....you'd total dismiss the bout as a white wash in favor of Joe....that's just one example. I've heard delusional Joe fans even state Joe h2h would have beaten Ali....
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:17 PM   #32
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joe beats every supermiddle ever
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Joe was a great fighter, but some of these posts are absurd.

H2H beast? Really?

He would cause anyone trouble, no doubt about that, but a beast?

I can list facts.

It took him 9 years to unify a weak division.

He went to the U.S. years too late.

He starved himself towards the end of his career to fight at 168, when he could have had bigger fights at 175.

He apparently chased Roy for years,

but he never fought in Roy's weight class, when Roy was prime.

He also never fought in Roy's Country, when Roy was prime.

He wanted the crown jewels to fight Roy, despite being relatively unknown outside of Europe at the time.

This H2H beast struggled with Reid.

This H2H beast struggled for 6 rounds against Kessler.

Kessler came into the unification bout with wins over Andrade, Cummins and Sciaca.

He'd beaten nobody of note.

Lacy had beaten nobody of note.

He got a disputed split decision win against a 43 year old Hopkins.

In 2006 he said Roy was finished. A fight against him would be pointless he said.

In 2008 apparently Roy's back to his best? And the fight is relevant again.

He tried to pull out of the Lacy fight, until FW managed to talk him out of it.

He pulled out of fighting Glen Johnson on three different occasions.

He had to lower himself to fight Manfredo to gain U.S. exposure, because he was reluctant to go to the States sooner.

He was afraid of flying.

But he overcame his fear when Roy was nearly 40.

He proclaimed himself the Legend Killer after beating Roy on points, 4 years after Johnson had knocked him cold.

He was more than happy to keep re signing his contract with Frank, until they fell out right at the very end of his contract.

He once proudly proclaimed that he didn't do rematches.

He told his son not to worry, when he was preparing for Roy, because Roy wasn't the same fighter that he once was.

If he'd have fought Roy in the late 90's/ early 2000's, he wouldn't have had his zero.

If Roy had have stayed at 168, Joe wouldn't have been the unified champ.

He was a great fighter, but his ambition never matched his skills.

It's laughable that some of you guys on here, pick holes in Roy's resume, yet praise Joe's.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:46 PM   #34
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Ha!

Roy at 25/26?
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:53 PM   #35
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The Taylor fight doesn't matter considering Bhop and Calzaghe already fought, and many many many people had Bhop winning, and even if you think he didn't, then it was a close fight

A 33 year old Bhop would obviously do better than a 43 one

Jones had inhuman roided speed and reflexes in his prime and KO power, he knocked Calzaghe down when he was absolutely shot to shit I'm sure he again could have done better in his prime
Calzaghe was far from prime in the BHOP match too, people forget that
It wasnt just RJJ or Bhop that were old, Calzaghe was close to the end of his career
Plus Bhop did not deserve the decision in that fight due to the fact he pretended to be fouled, grabbed held for dear life for most of the fight and this from the at the time current number 1 light heavy in the world facing a man in his very first fight at the weight and coming to his country.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:54 PM   #36
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He was very very good for sure.

SMW isn't particularly deep but I don't think it holds many fighters who would have beaten him.
I'd make Roy a favourite in a h2h with Joe.

Can't think of anyone else.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:31 PM   #37
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yeah just Roy and young Bhop obviously, and Ward today would beat prime Zaghes. Then Kessler in Denmark maybe, or Robin Reid in a rematch quite possibly, 50/50 again like the first match. Ottke being a bit of a cheat, shouldnt get a mention for a joke gift decision in Germany when hes clearly not in Joe's league.

Obviously as the SMW division has got progressively less diluted there will be many more SMWs coming along of greater calibre than Calzaghe in the future, but that dont detract from his HOF status for record defences in that fledgling division however shit most of his opponents were, the record still stands for now, at least until Ward decides he wants it.

Respect to the British Lion for what he acheived, he showed that Brits can set records too, even if we have to pick and choose our divisions to acheive it.

Might be that Toneys recent performances color my judgement but I cant see him beating Calzaghe, maybe a draw at best.

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:00 PM   #38
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Your right his reocrd says it all


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Old 07-13-2012, 06:18 PM   #39
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The Taylor fight doesn't matter considering Bhop and Calzaghe already fought, and many many many people had Bhop winning, and even if you think he didn't, then it was a close fight

A 33 year old Bhop would obviously do better than a 43 one

Jones had inhuman roided speed and reflexes in his prime and KO power, he knocked Calzaghe down when he was absolutely shot to shit I'm sure he again could have done better in his prime
That was a forearm that put a past prime Calzaghe down.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:10 PM   #40
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Calzaghe always beats Hopkins IMO. Bad stylistic match-up for Hopkins. Jones is another debate, but Joe has a chance.

Calzaghe is a H2H nightmare of course, his combination of chin, heart, determination, work-rate, skills, speed and stamina make him a tough night for any fighter between 168-175. Unfortunately this thread will be taken over by Americans who will tell you that the likes of Dirrell (who hasn't done anything) is far better than Calzaghe... Americans dislike Joe because he beat their favourite fighters. This thread would have been better in the British forum





Carl Froch started seeking out the toughest fights available from day 1? Did you just start following boxing 3 years ago? In Britain, hardly anyone had heard of Carl Froch when Calzaghe was the man, and at that time Joe was seeking fights with the likes of Kessler and Hopkins, Top class world champions. Carl Froch only fought for his first world title at age 31, 6 years into his pro career! Calzaghe fought for his first world title at age 25, 3 years into his pro career. Froch got fortunate with the Super Six tournament, which gave him great exposure for his career. Joe didn't get that fortune, I bet you didn't know the likes of Ottke and Hopkins turned down big money offers to fight Calzaghe in 2001-2003? Joe was willing to travel to Vegas and to Germany to face them.




Wrong, his unique style is what made him so hard to beat.




Mitchell was a big puncher who knocked out Frankie Liles, he put Joe down, and in the same round Joe knocked him out. So much for weaknesses. Salem rocked Joe with a massive headbutt right before the punch that knocked him down. Hopkins and Jones scored KD's when Joe was over 36 years old. There's one thing all of those knockdowns have in common though, Joe got up off the canvas each time, didn't get KD'd again and found a way to win.

Calzaghe also outpointed Chris Eubank, prime undefeated Kessler and he beat Hopkins, when Hopkins was on the best run of his career. After losing to Joe, Hopkins turned in a career best performance against Pavlik, so much for past prime...




You think Dirrell would beat Calzaghe!? Are you serious? I could understand you naming Ward, even though I disagree, but Dirrell? What has he ever done? He lost to Froch, and crumbled under the pressure of the limited Arthur Abraham. The best win of Dirrell's career is him getting knocked out

Like his terrible flaws were exposed against Hopkins?

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Early to mid 90's James Toney got outworked by the likes of Drake Thadzi and Dave Tiberi James Toney did very little after leaving the MW division, Calzaghe would outwork him to a decision at SMW.

As I stated above, Hopkins' kryptonite is fast 2 handed volume punchers at a fair weight. Calzaghe always beats Hopkins.

Jones is a tough debate, but I think Joe stands a good chance, particularly against clean Roy Jones (after the Richard Hall fight).
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:18 PM   #41
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His combination of workrate,skill,heart,chin and speed would be a nightmare for anyone
Then why did he wait until Roy and B-Hop were old men before fighting them?
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:08 PM   #42
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No, no he is not.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:39 PM   #43
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Joe was a great fighter, but some of these posts are absurd.

H2H beast? Really?

He would cause anyone trouble, no doubt about that, but a beast?

I can list facts.

It took him 9 years to unify a weak division.

He went to the U.S. years too late.

He starved himself towards the end of his career to fight at 168, when he could have had bigger fights at 175.

He apparently chased Roy for years,

but he never fought in Roy's weight class, when Roy was prime.

He also never fought in Roy's Country, when Roy was prime.

He wanted the crown jewels to fight Roy, despite being relatively unknown outside of Europe at the time.

This H2H beast struggled with Reid.

This H2H beast struggled for 6 rounds against Kessler.

Kessler came into the unification bout with wins over Andrade, Cummins and Sciaca.

He'd beaten nobody of note.

Lacy had beaten nobody of note.

He got a disputed split decision win against a 43 year old Hopkins.

In 2006 he said Roy was finished. A fight against him would be pointless he said.

In 2008 apparently Roy's back to his best? And the fight is relevant again.

He tried to pull out of the Lacy fight, until FW managed to talk him out of it.

He pulled out of fighting Glen Johnson on three different occasions.

He had to lower himself to fight Manfredo to gain U.S. exposure, because he was reluctant to go to the States sooner.

He was afraid of flying.

But he overcame his fear when Roy was nearly 40.

He proclaimed himself the Legend Killer after beating Roy on points, 4 years after Johnson had knocked him cold.

He was more than happy to keep re signing his contract with Frank, until they fell out right at the very end of his contract.

He once proudly proclaimed that he didn't do rematches.

He told his son not to worry, when he was preparing for Roy, because Roy wasn't the same fighter that he once was.

If he'd have fought Roy in the late 90's/ early 2000's, he wouldn't have had his zero.

If Roy had have stayed at 168, Joe wouldn't have been the unified champ.

He was a great fighter, but his ambition never matched his skills.

It's laughable that some of you guys on here, pick holes in Roy's resume, yet praise Joe's.







Excellent post with irrefutable facts !
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:13 PM   #44
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Joe was a great fighter, but some of these posts are absurd.

H2H beast? Really?

He would cause anyone trouble, no doubt about that, but a beast?

I can list facts.

It took him 9 years to unify a weak division.

He went to the U.S. years too late.

He starved himself towards the end of his career to fight at 168, when he could have had bigger fights at 175.

He apparently chased Roy for years,

but he never fought in Roy's weight class, when Roy was prime.

He also never fought in Roy's Country, when Roy was prime.

He wanted the crown jewels to fight Roy, despite being relatively unknown outside of Europe at the time.

This H2H beast struggled with Reid.

This H2H beast struggled for 6 rounds against Kessler.

Kessler came into the unification bout with wins over Andrade, Cummins and Sciaca.

He'd beaten nobody of note.

Lacy had beaten nobody of note.

He got a disputed split decision win against a 43 year old Hopkins.

In 2006 he said Roy was finished. A fight against him would be pointless he said.

In 2008 apparently Roy's back to his best? And the fight is relevant again.

He tried to pull out of the Lacy fight, until FW managed to talk him out of it.

He pulled out of fighting Glen Johnson on three different occasions.

He had to lower himself to fight Manfredo to gain U.S. exposure, because he was reluctant to go to the States sooner.

He was afraid of flying.

But he overcame his fear when Roy was nearly 40.

He proclaimed himself the Legend Killer after beating Roy on points, 4 years after Johnson had knocked him cold.

He was more than happy to keep re signing his contract with Frank, until they fell out right at the very end of his contract.

He once proudly proclaimed that he didn't do rematches.

He told his son not to worry, when he was preparing for Roy, because Roy wasn't the same fighter that he once was.

If he'd have fought Roy in the late 90's/ early 2000's, he wouldn't have had his zero.

If Roy had have stayed at 168, Joe wouldn't have been the unified champ.

He was a great fighter, but his ambition never matched his skills.

It's laughable that some of you guys on here, pick holes in Roy's resume, yet praise Joe's.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:20 PM   #45
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Remember how a shot to shit laughing stock and walking KO waiting to happen version of Roy Jones knocked him down in the first round.......a prime Roy Jones would have jumped on him and put his lights out, Jones by KO1- no denying this if a walking corpse version of Roy put his ass down.

Old B-Hop arguably won, a 33 year old Hopkins would have fought the full 12 and won wide, that's obvious.
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