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Old 07-16-2012, 06:05 AM   #31
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i heard that steward makes them spar too much and they leave something behind from too much sparring,
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:07 AM   #32
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you only have to wath behind the ropes to know things weren't right.

YOu had freddie roach away, you had some new phillapino trainer who kept telling khan to get lower!!!!

Then you had the sparring where Khan was getting tagged to shit against an amateur and if they didnt have head gear on and smaller gloves khan would have been ko'd.
To be honest your right. Freddie Roach is not fully committed to Khan. Neither is Alex Ariza. All this being dragged out to the Philippines and shit is no good.

Time for a change. I'm not blaming Roach outright for the loss that's Khans fault but things are not ideal anymore.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:14 AM   #33
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If Khan is going to have success in boxing he basically has to stop throwing any punch that isn't a jab or a straight right, and he should also stop throwing more than two punches in succession. Anytime he opens up against an opponent who isn't just overwhelmed by his speed then he's open to be timed and hurt.

He basically needs to become the 140lb Wladimir Klitschko.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:16 AM   #34
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@ shaun - Spot on about the Klitschko comment.

Amir is just crazy about having a "fan friendly" style.. and it's costing him, big time.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:17 AM   #35
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If Khan is going to have success in boxing he basically has to stop throwing any punch that isn't a jab or a straight right, and he should also stop throwing more than two punches in succession. Anytime he opens up against an opponent who isn't just overwhelmed by his speed then he's open to be timed and hurt.

He basically needs to become the 140lb Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree 100%, his right hand needs to be duct taped to his head in all sparring sessions from now on. He HAS to become a boring fighter.

He doesnt have the brains of Wlad though, he'll get goaded into a tear up again and then, well we all know the rest
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:19 AM   #36
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Khan chin is not as bad as everyone is making out, that money shot hit him on the side of the neck, that would of put most 140 fighter's on their bum, his chin took some clean shots in the 4th round, thing is Khan never recovered from the neck shot.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:28 AM   #37
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It was shocking that Khan was sparring and you have Ruben and the little fella there. From a PR point it looked bad and clearly from a boing point it was bad.

I am surprised the khan team let that sparring footage in the final programme. The whole scene was awkward. Felt sorry for Amir to be honest.

Ruben did tell him though not to get drawn into a war.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:36 AM   #38
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Roach has done well to help Khan prove critics wrong after the Prescott fight but it's obvious Khan has now plateaued in skill development.

Travelling around Fili and training with that Filipino kid is not going to help him so I think it's time that Khan found a new coach.
Khan's problem is that he has a lot of heart and wants to go to war but his body structure isn't made for that.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:37 AM   #39
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Khan chin is not as bad as everyone is making out, that money shot hit him on the side of the neck, that would of put most 140 fighter's on their bum, his chin took some clean shots in the 4th round, thing is Khan never recovered from the neck shot.

the fourth round was amazing to watch but I hope Khan doesn't have any long term damage from those shots
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:41 AM   #40
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Khan chin is not as bad as everyone is making out, that money shot hit him on the side of the neck, that would of put most 140 fighter's on their bum, his chin took some clean shots in the 4th round, thing is Khan never recovered from the neck shot.
It's not about his chin, it's about having absolutely no brain in the ring. He fights like I play boxing games on the playstation - only thinking about his own shots and not worrying about what might come back.

Garcia saw this before the fight and knew he had the timing to catch him and stop him if Khan came out throwing, and it turns out he was right.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:45 AM   #41
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the fourth round was amazing to watch but I hope Khan doesn't have any long term damage from those shots
Yeah those types of beating catch up with you later in life, Garcia did not let him off, to be fair Ref should of stopped the fight after the first KD Khan's legs were gone.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:47 AM   #42
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I've been saying for a while he needs a trainer who can work on his defence and develop his skills. Roach gives guys some basic skills and gets them in great shape but it's mainly basic drills, which I believe encourage predictable boxing



Roach's boxers are very average defensively and predictable in what they do because he isn't close to being the best trainer in the world



Your basing this on Ricky Hatton who threw his instructions out the window and would have been ko'd by Pacquaio no matter what. Mayweather Jr aside he's trained Delahoya, Dawson, Guzman, Morales and Laila Ali and none of them got sparked out under him, bar the DLH bodyshot.

Importantly he'd be free to spend all his time on Amir, which is what Amir should get for his 10% fight purse.

I'm not sure he's the best fit but Amir would learn new things. It worked for Delahoya who in my view is pretty similar to Khan
Ricky Hatton didn't throw shit out, Sr is just a shit coach and he trained Guzman and Dawson for 2 fights and de la hoya looked absolutely shit with old man crackhead training him.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:47 AM   #43
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It's not about his chin, it's about having absolutely no brain in the ring. He fights like I play boxing games on the playstation - only thinking about his own shots and not worrying about what might come back.

Garcia saw this before the fight and knew he had the timing to catch him and stop him if Khan came out throwing, and it turns out he was right.
I know this I am just referring to people saying he has no chin, that's not true.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:01 AM   #44
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i don't think roach has improved him at all,he looks the same as he did ten fights ago,on saturday he was acting like he was against presscot,he thought it was going to be a easy couple of rounds,a blow out,which cost him big time.

someone beat me too it earlier,get him with booth,the dark lord can make him into a boring backpeddler(if the ****er will listen),but unfortunately his chin will always let him down.
Darni,you can talk yourself into his chin being good and a couple more on here can do the same ,but his chin is bad,the shot hit him on the neck,if it hit him bang on the button he would of been out cold,the only thing what kept him us was his balls at times he was like bambi on ice
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:02 AM   #45
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I agree Khan should look elsewhere and Booth is a great choice as he's all about the calculated risk which is exactly what Amir needs to get him through the next stage of his career. Groves and Haye both have shown vulnerability with their chins and liked to stand and trade, so he's got plenty of experience in curbing that enthusiasm in fighters.

That's no criticism of Roach, he has been crystal clear from day 1 that Pacquiao is the priority.
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