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Old 07-16-2012, 10:39 AM   #1
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Carlos Palomino

WBC Welterweight Champion

A great performance versus Champion - John H. Stracey on June 22, 1976.

But his '7' Title Defenses, 'questionable opponents'.
* Armando Muniz I
* Davey Boy Green
* Everaldo Costa Acevedo
* Jose Palacios
* Ryu Sorimachi
* Mimoun Mohatar
* Armando Muniz II
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:29 AM   #2
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March 1978

West Coast Promoters say they would like to match WBC Welterweight Champion against
WBC Light-Welterweight Champion, Saensak Muangsurin for sometime in 1978.

Suggested locations, are Los Angeles, California - Honolulu, Hawaii or Bangkok, Thailand.

The promoters said that each Champion could receive a $325,000 fight purse, nearly double
what they normally receive for a Title Defense.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:20 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe' View Post
West Coast Promoters say they would like to match WBC Welterweight Champion against
WBC Light-Welterweight Champion, Saensak Muangsurin for sometime in 1978.
What prevented the fight from happening?
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:41 PM   #4
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What prevented the fight from happening?

Good Question,

Just as Carlos Palomino took on Japan's Ryu Sorimachi {February 11, 1978}, there was the
discussion that WBC Light-Welterweight Champion - Saensak Muangsurin would be 'next' for
a March 18, 1978 bout in Las Vegas.

Carlos Palomino received a fight purse of $125,000 for defending his 'Crown' versus 'Ryu Sorimachi,
and supposedly $325,000 was on the table for a bout with Muangsurin for the WBC Welterweight Championship.

Saensak who originally agreed to the bout at 'The Aladdin' in Las Vegas, pulled out 2-weeks before the fight,
claiming that he was uncomfortable with the 'contractual arrangements'.

African-Moroccan, Mimoun Mohatar filled-in as a 'replacement' opponent.

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Old 07-16-2012, 01:26 PM   #5
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Carlos Palomino

'First' WBC Welterweight Championship Title Defense


* 7-Months after winning the Championship from John H. Stracey - on June 22, 1976

January 21, 1977

Armando 'El Hombre' Muniz.......40-10-1 (26 KO's)...#3 WBC Welterweight

The 26 1/2 year-old Muniz, a veteran 5' 6" 'bull-dog', regarded as the 'toughest hombre' at 147 lbs.

After suffering '3' defeats in '5' bouts in early 1974, bounced back with '2' good wins,
to return into the Top 5 of the 'World Ratings'.

In 1975, Armando battled World Welterweight Champion - Jose Napoles 'twice', with both
bouts ending in controversy.
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Since the losses to Jose Napoles, Armando has battled back by winning '4' straight bouts.

October 4, 1975 - (TKO 7) over 30-year-old 'veteran' Mexican Welterweight - Ruben Vasquez Zamora 51-15-0 (28 KO's).
In a one-sided bout, Armando batters a 'shot' journeyman.

April 11, 1976 - (TKO 5) over 'veteran' Argentinian Welterweight - Ruben 'El Zurco' Archoa 43-28-9 (25 KO's)
Armando has no trouble in clobbering the 'Argentinian' trial-horse.

May 8, 1976 - (W Spilt-Dec 10) over 19 year-old prospect Abel 'El Tigre' Cordoba 19-2-1 (7 KO's).
Armando, fighting at 'The Forum', has all he can handle, as the 19 year-old prospect
out-speeds Armando for the majority of the bout. Only the 'guile' of Armando earns him
a 'controversial' Split-Decision over Abel Cordoba, which is boo'd by The Forum fans.
Scorecards ( 5-4-1 / 4-6-0 / 6-4-0 )

June 17, 1976 - (W Unan. Dec 12) over 'veteran' Jimmy Heair 46-9-1. In a battle for the United
States Welterweight Championship, Armando Muniz "tatoo's" Jimmy Heair for the entire bout, winning
a clear-cut Unanimous Decision.
Scorecards ( 10-2-0 / 9-1-2 / 9-2-1 )

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WBC Ratings (January 1977)

** Carlos Palomino
1}...John H. Stracey
2}...Clyde Gray
3}...Armando Muniz
4}...Angel Espada
5}...Pete Ranzany
6}...Ryu Sorimachi
7}...Randy Shields
8}...Abel Cordoba
9}...Johnny Gant
10}..Shoji Tsujimoto

Mickey Duff (John H. Stracey's - Manager) had '2' Title Defense 'options' on Carlos Palomino.

Originally, Jackie McCoy (Carlos Palomino's - Manager) wanted to fight Japanese Welterweight Champion -
#6 WBC - Ryu Sorimachi on September 11, 1976.

But Mickey Duff said no, Carlos had to fight #3 WBC - Armando Muniz 'first'.

Carlos had injured his 'ribs' in training camp, and had to postpone the original September 11, 1976 bout.

And Carlos, fractured his finger in the 'second training camp' and the November 6, 1976 was also
postponed.

For the Saturday Night - January 21, 1977 WBC Welterweight Championship bout held at The Olympic,
Carlos Palomino was to receive $60,000, and Armando Muniz was to receive $20,000.

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Old 07-16-2012, 07:33 PM   #7
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January 21, 1977

Though Carlos Palomino successfully defended his Chamionship for the 'first time' versus
Armando Muniz, he had to rally over the last '5-Rounds, as he was so far behind.

Armando Muniz was 'gassed' after the 12th Round, and was fighting on 'fumes'.

Armando did floor Carlos in the 1st Round, and had him reeling in the 3rd Round.
The 'back-alley brawler' had the (10-8 Betting Favorite) Champion Palomino on his heels
through 9-Rounds.

But Carlos, showing the 'heart of a lion' withstood the 'storm' and did put on one hell of
a late-fight blitz, while scoring a 15th Round Knockout.

Scoring through 12 Rounds.
* Referee, John Thomas........115-112 (Armando Muniz)
* Judge, Frank Rustich..........115-155 (Even)
* Judge, Dick Young.............115-113 (Armando Muniz)

According to Jackie McCoy (Carlos' Manager), after the 12th Round, he told his fighter he needed to
sweep the last '3' Rounds to retain his WBC Championship.

According to Vic Weiss (Armando's Manager), after the 12th Round, he told his fighter, just give me
one more round (the 13th Round), and the Championship is yours.
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Tuesday Night - June 14, 1977

Empire Pool, London, Wembley, United Kingdom

Attendance; 12,500 (Approximate)

WBC Welterweight Championship

Mickey Duff, 'Fight Promoter'

* Carlos Palomino makes his 2nd Title Defense.

Challenger, 'Davey Boy' Green 'The Fenland Tiger'

The 24 year-old, 5' 8 1/2" - 147 lb. (#3 WBC) Challenger at 24-0-0 (19 KO's).

'Davey Boy' has emerged as a Top Challenger, by winning the European Welterweight Championship,
by 'upsetting' (TKO 10) former WBC World Champion - (#1 WBC) John H. Stracey 44-4-1 (36 KO's) on March 29, 1977.

John H. Stracey was supposed to fight Carlos Palomino in a rematch in June 1977, but he took the bout
with Davey Boy Green as a 'tune-up', and got 'battered' and upset.

Before defeating John H. Stracey, 'Davey Boy' was competing at 140 lbs. (Light-Welterweight).
In December 1976, he had stopped (TKO 10) #3 LW - Jean-Baptiste Piedvache (39-1-0) for the European
Light-Welterweight Championship.

And on February 22, 1977 - Davey had defeated 'Argentinian' veteran Welterweight -
#18 W - Mario Omar Guillotti (45-7-5) (26 KO's) by a Unanimous 10-Round Decision, in his 'only' other
147 lb. Welterweight bout.

Though young and strong, 'Davey Boy' was a small Welterweight, and was really competing at
an upper-weight Division.

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Old 07-17-2012, 09:33 AM   #9
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Palomino's defenses against Muniz and Green were justifiable. He was losing both fights until pulling off late round KO's, which may have convinced Palomino's management into taking on easier opposition afterwards. Jose Palacios was one of the worst title challengers of all time, despite an upset win over Mando Muniz.

He wasn't a great welterweight champion, but I feel he redeemed himself with his efforts against Benitez and Duran, despite clearly losing both fights.

His body punching ability was probably his most outstanding attribute. Palomino could stop an opponent with a single shot to the ribs.
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Old 07-17-2012, 01:05 PM   #10
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Some of the slightly earlier west Coast welterweights like Hedge Lewis, ernie Lopez and the earlier peak Muniz were on par or arguably better than Palomino imo.They just had Napoles in the way during their best years.

he was a bit luckier in his timing.
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Vic Weiss and Louie Jauregui were co-managers of Mando Muniz....At the start of his career Muniz was manages by Jauregui and Jake Horn...Jake got in a hassle with Aileen Eaton over money...Eaton froze out Muniz until he got rid of Jake....Weiss who owned a Ford dealership bought out Jake and Mando was able to fight at the Olympic again....Weiss who was a bagman for the Las Vegas mob was murder, his body was found shot in the trunk of his car at LAX.

I worked two of Mando's fights when he was still with Horn and Jaurequi. The Ernie Red Lopez fight at the Olympic and the Manny Gonzalez fight in Arizona

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Old 07-17-2012, 05:29 PM   #12
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I thought Azevedo...despite being undersized...showed some pretty good skill in befuddling Carlos for quite a few of the first 10 or 11 rounds of their fight.
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Tuesday Night - June 14, 1977

I remember 'Davey Boy' Green just pounding Carlos Palomino all over the ring in their Title Fight at Empire Pool.

Carlos did practically nothing right for '8-Rounds'. Then his corner telling him to get going, and he went out and did 'less'.

As 'Davey Boy' kept working and scoring, he was piling up the points, and cut Carlos left-eye in Round 8.

In Round 10, 'Davey Boy' nearly dropped Carlos at the 0:28 Mark, by landing a 'booming' overhand right, square on the button.

But Carlos did battle back in Round 10, to swell up Davey Boy's left eye, and pound him a bit to 'Even Up' the Round.

Entering the 11th Round, I had 'Davey Boy' up (7-2-1) in Rounds. And thought, that no way could Carlos come back
and win that fight. 'Davey Boy' in Round 11, instead of boxing from a 'safe-distance', went right at Carlos and
stayed directly in front of him, within Carlos' power-zone.

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Lets give credit to Palomino for this devastation though:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwpSeeBQHAk[/ame]

7:00

Stracey was no great welterweight champion either but this goes down as one of the most painful displays of body punching ever.

Carlos laying out Davey Boy Green with a left hook from nowhere:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWmSm8Ev4J4[/ame]

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Old 07-17-2012, 06:43 PM   #15
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Carlos,,,,,,,,Was a class act.

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