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View Poll Results: Was Ali-Foreman Fixed?
Yes 14 9.46%
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:17 PM   #211
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was he really an underdog in the second liston fight? ok, thanks, i stand corrected then. he never explicitly said he was going to rope a dope. but he did train to lay on the ropes and get hit a lot. he knew the way to beat foreman was to let him wear himself out. but thats a very risky strategy, you could be koed in the process

Liston was an 8 to 7 or 8 to 6 favorite in the second fight.
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Old 06-05-2016, 10:21 AM   #212
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Who cares what George Foreman said or didn't say after the fight? As others have posted, and the article indicated was the smoking gun: George Foreman wasn't evaluated after 8 count by the ref, and the ref didn't even count to 10 and called the fight despite the fact that George Foreman looked less stunned than Joe Frazier did after his second knockdown by Foreman and that fight didn't get called until the *sixth* time Foreman knocked him down!

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Old 06-05-2016, 10:49 AM   #213
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Who cares what George Foreman said or didn't say after the fight? As others have posted, and the article indicated was the smoking gun: George Foreman wasn't evaluated after 8 count by the ref, and the ref didn't even count to 10 and called the fight despite the fact that George Foreman looked less stunned than Joe Frazier did after his second knockdown by Foreman and that fight didn't get called until the *sixth* time Foreman knocked him down!

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Seems like a strange time to be digging up this thread. Actually Foreman was down for 11 seconds, the commentator just lost track of the referee's count.
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:07 AM   #214
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Haven't read the thread but no l don't think the fight was fixed, but ropes were certainly deficient. But hard to imagine that this was planned.
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:42 AM   #215
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if it was fixed, someone shouldda told big George, he'd have had an easier time.
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:52 AM   #216
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JC! Of course the fight was not fixed in any way shape or form. It was ALI who walked into a smallish ring with a heavily padded canvas. A PUNCHERS RING. Very easy for a punchers to step foreword and dig his feet into the canvas but very hard for a boxer to move. It's murder on the legs tiring them out very quickly.

Foreman WAS COUNTED OUT. PERIOD! Yes he was down for ten seconds. The announcers at ringside because the the crowds cheers lost track of the count. When they said eight the ref was at TEN.

Sadler working in Ali's corner two years later means nothing. Sadler was not working with George any longer. Ali hired him to help in training for that fight.
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:53 AM   #217
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Murder on the legs when moving side to side which was Ali's plan. The soft canvas was a main reason he went to the ropes at the start of round two.
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Old 06-05-2016, 12:00 PM   #218
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The only thing about this fight was rope-a-dope was coined by David Frost not Ali/Dundee. As mentioned Ali was going to use his legs but could not, so laid on the ropes until a new plan can be hatched. Dundee was screaming at Ali to get off the ropes.

Frost came up with the "So you roped yourself a dope!" when interviewing Ali post fight.
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Old 06-05-2016, 12:03 PM   #219
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Not truly fixed, but unfair advantages were at play for Ali.
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Old 06-05-2016, 12:03 PM   #220
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Well, it probably wasn't fixed but some dodgy things might have taken place.
It's impossible to know for sure.

Boxing is a bit crooked at the best of times.
And putting on a $10 million dollar heavyweight title fight in Mobutu's Zaire is hardly worthy of a vote of confidence, is it ?
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Old 06-05-2016, 12:39 PM   #221
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voted probably not because i'm not a fan of absolutes.
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Old 06-05-2016, 02:01 PM   #222
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What is fixed though?

Nobody wants to take a fight unless they know they can win. Having inside information, a plan, a secret training method, a friendly doctor, a friendly official, deliberately scupper the opponents training by rescheduling, a spy in their camp, being the house fighter, etc, etc,
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:53 PM   #223
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I don't think it was fixed, in that Foreman would've had to have been in on it if it was a true fix. But I think there were lots of crooked things afoot. The government of Zaire wouldn't let Foreman go back to the USA after he was cut in training, and wouldn't allow the fight to be postponed long enough for the cut to heal fully and properly.

Furthermore, Dundee has admitted --proudly-- to loosening the ropes.

Ali fought a great fight. This was his best in my opinion.

But given these unfair intangibles, and George's stature before the fight, Foreman definitely deserved a rematch. I do not buy at all the view of many Ali fans who claim George would have had no chance in a second fight.
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Old 06-05-2016, 06:19 PM   #224
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Ali had an unfair advantage? A small ring and heavily padded ring canvas does not favor a boxer. If anything the shoe was on the other foot. I have never heard Dundee say he loosened the ropes. In fact he says just the opposite that I between rounds he tried tighning the ropes since he feared Ali would fall out of the ring. The reason why the ropes were loose was it was an 18 foot ring and the ropes designed for a 20 footer.
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:05 PM   #225
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It's hard to know what's real and what isn't, but I had read once about Dundee arriving in the afternoon of the fight and loosening the ropes.
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