More Skilled: Eder Jofre or Julio Cesar Chavez ??

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

I rate Julio´s skills really high.....
IMHO he was one of the 15 more skilled fighters ever, and his combinations are up there with anyone, even Robinson or Duran for example, easily imo....very complete in my view too....could box pretty well he he wanted....

So...how do you see this comparison ? Jofre and Chavez....who was more skilled ??

[LittleRed]

Shit... Chavez was.a better in fighter, better body puncher, and might have punched better in combination. Jofre had a superb jab, better defense, and footwork. I think Chavez controlled the distance and pace of the fighter better, but i'm not to confident on that one. Jofre had a much better second act but took off time in the middle, so i'm not sure that's indicative of skills or not. Jofre set traps better and had a slightly higher boxing IQ. I'll go Jofre but only because I think he would better sans his physical gifts.

[lora]

Chavez was the consistently tidier of the two as a puncher, but i think Jofre was more skilled overall.

Chavez had slightly more of an attainable workmanlike feel to his technical work than Jofre imo.Eder changed punching style and offensive approach more freely.Had more finesse throughout the totality of his career(though perhaps helped by the smaller amoung of footage on his later fights here)where Chavez became more of an precise but somewhat tactically rigid seek and destroy fighter from the late 80s on, Jofre seemed to remain more the complete boxer-puncher.

Some good points by littleRed there as well

[red cobra]

Hands down it was Eder Jofre.

[WhyYouLittle]

Cool match up. Chavez skills can be overlooked because of his usual strategy, but, beside his great punching coordination, if you consider how economically he worked to grind his man down, he had to be very precise to be as efficient as he was. But on overall skills, I gotta stick with Éder. He was better defensively, had better footwork, knew how to position himself to better work the angles, and, while he wasn't as good as Chavez as a combination puncher, he knew how to place his punches and how to distribute them efficiently. Éder for the same reason he usually is praised for: completeness.

[scartissue]

Jofre. He could box, punch and had an analytical head on his shoulders. No style was going to confuse him. Chavez was great when the fighter was in front of him, but when Whitaker offered angles he hadn't a clue what to do. And went round after round with no plan B. His corner too was at fault for not instructing or possibly he was unable to execute. But to answer the question again, Jofre.

[sweet_scientist]

Originally Posted by scartissue

Jofre. He could box, punch and had an analytical head on his shoulders. No style was going to confuse him. Chavez was great when the fighter was in front of him, but when Whitaker offered angles he hadn't a clue what to do. And went round after round with no plan B. His corner too was at fault for not instructing or possibly he was unable to execute. But to answer the question again, Jofre.

Well, Jofre was probably lucky he never encountered a Whitaker in his career, because he probably would have been rendered just as clueless.

He had his hands full with Herman Marques, a Vilomar Fernandez type who gave Jofre a boxing lesson for 10 rounds before Jofre landed the boom and brought proceedings to a close.

Chavez did ok against mediocre movers like Camacho, Smith, R. Mayweather (as he fought in the rematch), it was only when he faced a great mover that he was given problems.

I suspect Jofre would have been the same.

As to the thread question, I actually don't think Jofre has better defense than Chavez, but he does have better footwork and imo better punch variety, especially with jabs and looping hooks which although unseemly, were pretty precise and effective over the course of a fight.

[Lord Tywin]

Jofre

[the cobra]

I'd agree that Jofre was more complete, more versatile, but Chavez perfected his style. His footwork wasn't any less than what he needed, he could cut the ring off as well as anyone. His defense was excellent, enough to get in close without taking too much damage (and he could more than handle what he would take), and his ability to split the guard was uncanny. He was surgical in his combination punching, unbelievably precise. He shouldn't be slighted here for failing against Whitaker - Pea was beyond special - and I'm confident that SS is right when he says Jofre likely comes undone much the same way if he had ever ran into a Whitaker of his own.

Chavez was as flawless a pressure fighter as there's been. Being more complete is nice and all, but I don't think it necessarily makes Jofre the greater skilled fighter. In other words, maybe Jofre had more skills at his disposal, but Chavez was better at his. It's a very good comparison.

[Flea Man]

Venice Bus Station.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Venice Bus Station.

Flea I think you misspelled Ricardo Lopez.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

Flea I think you misspelled Ricardo Lopez.

[LittleRed]

How is his last name pronounced?

[Flea Man]

Boar-Core-Saw using actual words

[LittleRed]

Thanks.