Why is Ingo Johansson in the Hall of Fame? - Page 3

jowcol · 07-31-2012, 06:55 PM

Despite the opponents, IMO Ingo was the real deal. The right hand was HOF, and he had an underrated jab. No left hook of course, no European could even spell l-e-f-t h-o-o-k at that time.
The Machen beatdown was brutal, with both hands in combination.
His only problem was his lack of 'warrior' mentality to put it best. IMO he simply didn't want to continue fighting (much like Cooney)
He would have lost (and won) his share in any era.
I vote a thumbs up for HOF.
And to all the Douglas nut-huggers...he was a monster against Tyson (I loved it!) but what did the underachieving POS do after that? Wasted...nothing!
The fact that Douglas (wait...in the Tyson fight?...any other fight?) could have beaten Ingo is completely irrelavant in ANY HOF consideration.

choklab · 07-31-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

Oh really? He never fought # 2 rated Nino Valdes, who was 6'3 215lb and a very dangerous puncher. Valdes had also cleaned out the entire european HW scene.
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and what did machen do to valdes? why fight the guy who got KTFO by the guy you just beat?.

Truth is Ingo's people wanted Valdes in 1957 but it fell through and the best the agent could do was book mcbride (who held an old win over nino) instead.

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Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

Cooper-Folley I was a hometown decision, and Folley blasted cooper out easily in the rematch in 2 rounds.

Not one bit. Even American reports on the fight went to cooper. Folley was rated and cooper beat him.

choklab · 07-31-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jowcol

no European could even spell l-e-f-t h-o-o-k at that time..

Henry cooper?

SuzieQ49 · 07-31-2012, 07:18 PM

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Not one bit. Even American reports on the fight went to cooper. Folley was rated and cooper beat him.

Watch the fight, terrible decision. Folley floored him and outboxed him. By the way you forgot, Folley easily destroyed cooper in 2 rounds in rematch

choklab · 07-31-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

Watch the fight, terrible decision. Folley floored him and outboxed him. By the way you forgot, Folley easily destroyed cooper in 2 rounds in rematch

Ive seen the fight. read the reports. Cooper out boxed zorra and won the decision. It was a tough fight and both took a hiding, zora was all swolen up, both were cut. point is the man who lost to Ingo won.

OK zorra did win the rematch. Cooper Says he was over weight, it was still a good win for Zorra who would also lose to Brian London who lost to Ingo... so zorra lost to two Ingo victims.

Senor Pepe' · 07-31-2012, 07:59 PM

On 'Country Club Playboy Ingo'

One knock, he had signed a contract with Eddie Machen, that if he beat
Eddie in Sweden he would give him a rematch in Eddie's home-base of Portland, Oregon
within 6-months.

Eddie Machen, screwed again.

choklab · 08-01-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

On 'Country Club Playboy Ingo'

One knock, he had signed a contract with Eddie Machen, that if he beat
Eddie in Sweden he would give him a rematch in Eddie's home-base of Portland, Oregon
within 6-months.

Eddie Machen, screwed again.

I think machen has the record for longest serving gatekeeper to the top 5. The ingo blow out and draws with folley and williams screwed him.

Senor Pepe' · 08-01-2012, 02:09 PM

INGO was offered $300,000 to fight Sonny Liston in December 1961.

And in principal, he agreed.

Just imagine if INGO did the impossible, and defeated Sonny in December 1961.

He would have gotten another shot (#4) with Floyd Patterson, in 1962.

choklab · 08-01-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

INGO was offered $300,000 to fight Sonny Liston in December 1961.

And in principal, he agreed.

Just imagine if INGO did the impossible, and defeated Sonny in December 1961.

He would have gotten another shot (#4) with Floyd Patterson, in 1962.

Ingo would be giving away about 7lb to Liston, whats that a big meal? ingo would have done better against Liston than floyd did (nobody could do any worse) and would have been a good fight. I favour Sonny in 1961 but ingo was leagues better than big cat williams ...its just that johansson was on the downslide after the patterson triology. It took up 3 years of the swedes prime years - and suffered two knockouts in the process. 1959 johansson vs 1961 Liston would have been a 50-50 fight on paper because ingo had beat better men. Lack of title fights from 1959-1964 hurt all the defending champions involved.

Legend X · 08-01-2012, 03:22 PM

Johansson was pretty good.
I mean, I'd put him on the same level as Patterson. He just didn't have the longevity.
As soon as he won the title he slacked off too much.

choklab · 08-01-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend X

Johansson was pretty good.
I mean, I'd put him on the same level as Patterson. He just didn't have the longevity.
As soon as he won the title he slacked off too much.

A number of champions did. Baer, Douglas, Sharkey, Bowe, Liston, Young Foreman, Witherspoon, Dokes,

Legend X · 08-01-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by choklab

A number of champions did. Baer, Douglas, Sharkey, Bowe, Liston, Foreman, Witherspoon, Dokes,

Yes.
I'd rate Johansson somewhere in the middle of that bunch.

Senor Pepe' · 08-01-2012, 04:27 PM

INGO flooring Cassius Clay in a 1963 sparring session.

This was an 'exhibition match' while Cassius Clay was in Europe.

jowcol · 08-01-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by choklab

Henry cooper?

Yes that is correct, forgot about the converted southpaw but, throughout the decades, at least until recently, Euro fighters seemed to be straight jab-right bomb and Ingo fit that profile perfectly.

jowcol · 08-01-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

INGO flooring Cassius Clay in a 1963 sparring session.
This was an 'exhibition match' while Cassius Clay was in Europe.

That's not Ali Pepe!
I've heard, after Floyd-Ingo 3 in 1961 that a young Ali sparred with Ingo in Miami and was boxing his ears off.

07-31-2012, 06:55 PM	#31
jowcol Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 775 vCash: 1000	Re: Why is Ingo Johansson in the Hall of Fame? Despite the opponents, IMO Ingo was the real deal. The right hand was HOF, and he had an underrated jab. No left hook of course, no European could even spell l-e-f-t h-o-o-k at that time. The Machen beatdown was brutal, with both hands in combination. His only problem was his lack of 'warrior' mentality to put it best. IMO he simply didn't want to continue fighting (much like Cooney) He would have lost (and won) his share in any era. I vote a thumbs up for HOF. And to all the Douglas nut-huggers...he was a monster against Tyson (I loved it!) but what did the underachieving POS do after that? Wasted...nothing! The fact that Douglas (wait...in the Tyson fight?...any other fight?) could have beaten Ingo is completely irrelavant in ANY HOF consideration.
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Why is Ingo Johansson in the Hall of Fame? On 'Country Club Playboy Ingo' One knock, he had signed a contract with Eddie Machen, that if he beat Eddie in Sweden he would give him a rematch in Eddie's home-base of Portland, Oregon within 6-months. Eddie Machen, screwed again.
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Why is Ingo Johansson in the Hall of Fame? INGO was offered $300,000 to fight Sonny Liston in December 1961. And in principal, he agreed. Just imagine if INGO did the impossible, and defeated Sonny in December 1961. He would have gotten another shot (#4) with Floyd Patterson, in 1962.
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Legend X Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,105 vCash: 1000	Re: Why is Ingo Johansson in the Hall of Fame? Johansson was pretty good. I mean, I'd put him on the same level as Patterson. He just didn't have the longevity. As soon as he won the title he slacked off too much.
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08-01-2012, 04:27 PM	#43
Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Why is Ingo Johansson in the Hall of Fame? INGO flooring Cassius Clay in a 1963 sparring session. This was an 'exhibition match' while Cassius Clay was in Europe.
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