harry greb

luke · 07-31-2012, 06:19 PM

break down his resume for me, im an idiot i need a guide on his wins for a dummy.

janitor · 07-31-2012, 06:21 PM

That would be quite a time consuming exercise.

luke · 08-01-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by janitor

That would be quite a time consuming exercise.

im just looking for his top 10 wins, ect, not breaking down his whole resume. from start to finish.

lufcrazy · 08-01-2012, 04:50 AM

Use the search function.

That aside if noone's answered when I get up i'll give it a shot.

ripcity · 08-01-2012, 04:57 AM

I would like to know the weight diffrances in those fights where he beat heavyweights. Was he 160 going in to the fights or was he heavier? Were his oppoents 225 or were they closer to 200 or even 180?

MrBumboclart · 08-01-2012, 05:07 AM

I wrote this ages ago as to why he was the GOAT. I'll copy and paste:

RESUME
Who did he beat?
In total 19 HALL OF FAMERS!

In his 299 fights, victories included:

- Tommy Loughran
- Gene Tunney
- Tiger Flowers
- Tommy Burns
- Mickey Walker
- Maxie Rosenbloom
- Kid Norfolk
- Tommy Gibbons
- Mike McTigue
- Jack Dillon
- Gunboat Smith (a legit heavyweight whom Greb KO'd in 1)
- Battling Levinskey
- Bill Brenan

The list goes on and on! It seems every great fighters in his era, 160lbs or above, has at least one L on their record from the great Harry Greb.

He was the first and only man to beat the light-heavyweight legend - Gene Tunney. Who outboxed Dempsey twice.

During his career he won the middleweight and light-heavyweight belt, defending both well against top competition and coming out on top the majority of the time.

Probably only Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali could challenge Greb in terms of resume, beating other greats in their greatness. Not only did he beat these great fighters but he beat some of them multiple times, sometimes even 6 or more times.

RECORD
I don't take record too seriously seeing as it's just a number and doesn't exactly tell you who someone beat, how they beat them e.c.t. However it is an important aspect of ranking a fighter.

Greb's record stands at
104 Wins, only 8 Losses and 3 draws. And if you include Newspaper Decisions, Greb has a further 157 victories.

As for his losses - one or more of the losses to Tunney in rematches are contested, many believe Greb got the better of Gene. His final fight with Tiger Flowers caused disruption in the crowds because of Greb being awarded a loss, not to mention a controversial DQ against Kid Norfolk.

Greb squeezed 299 fights into only a 13 year career. And in 1917 alone, Greb fought 37 times. Very impressive!!

ABILITY
Just how much natural talent and ability did Greb have?

Well the following fighters, who fought the best, all claim Harry Greb was the best they ever saw...

Gene Tunney
Jimmy McLarnin
Chuck Wiggins
Mickey Walker
Maxie Rosenbloom
Jack Dempsey
Billy Conn

In reality, every great fighter Greb fought, who was asked about it, named him as the greatest fighter that they fought and the greatest they had ever seen.

Was he fast? Dempsey said he was quicker than Benny Leonard - a lightweight.
Was he tough? Well, in 299 fights he was knocked out twice - once when he quit due to breaking his forearm and the second a fluke KO loss very early in his career.

His stamina is stuff of legend. Throwing punches from the opening to closing bell, he was a swarmer supreme who gave slow, lumbering punchers hell trying to find the target, and smooth, boxers fits trying to keep range without getting overwhelmed.

Greb was once described as a "cross between a wildcat and a hornet's nest."

His punching power has been called into question, however during one stage of his career after damaging his leg and jepodising his movement, Greb took to punching and brawling and actually amounted an impressive streak of knockdowns and knockouts before his leg recovered and he went back to moving as quick as he could, throwing as much as he could, as fast as he could. In reality he never loaded up punches - just threw them as much as as fast as possible to overwhelm his opponent.

VS SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
Many rank Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest fighter of all times. Briefly, I'll convice you Greb is better...

Head-to-Head: What styles gave Robinson trouble? The LaMotta's, the Fullmer's, the Basilio's. All swarming, inside fighting tough guys. Does anyone swarm and fight inside like Greb? No way. Greb would take away Ray's power and movement - IMO Greb beats him 2/3 in a trilogy.

Success at lightheavyweight: Both were established middleweight fighters, both started at welterweight. However although both cemented their legacy as great middleweights, Harry was better P4P (weight jumping) by owning the light-heavyweight division (and becoming a decent contender at heavyweight also), beating the best their and claiming the title - something Robinson couldn't do.

I also think in general the resume and record of Greb slightly overshadows Robinson's. Anyway, could you imagine Robinson giving Jack Dempsey a beating in sparring? I can't. But Greb did - twice!!

janitor · 08-01-2012, 05:52 AM

O.K, so we are talking about which wins were biggest at the time?

The fight where he won the middleweight title from Wilson is a no brainer.

The Walker fight was the Pacquio Mayweather of its day.

The third Tommy Gibbons win was huge, because Gibbons was riding sky high at the time.

Brennan was highly touted, perhaps unwarantedly so when Greb first got his claws into him.

ripcity · 08-01-2012, 05:58 AM

I'd still like to know the acatual weight diffrances.

ripcity · 08-01-2012, 06:44 PM

Everyone who has him highly ranked points out to his wins over heavyweights. If they were 176-200 Lbs. Even if he was 160. It's not as impresive as it sounds.

SLAKKA · 08-02-2012, 12:07 PM

Just focus on his 4th fight with Tunney Sep 1924 Cleveland.
Genes in his prime in the 182 ish lbs area. Harrys 30 yrs old, half blind, giving up plenty of heft and Jim Jab Cratty, Grebs hated enemy of the Pittburgh Press sez he won that fight.

lufcrazy · 08-02-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ripcity

Everyone who has him highly ranked points out to his wins over heavyweights. If they were 176-200 Lbs. Even if he was 160. It's not as impresive as it sounds.

What's impressive is his astonishing resume.

Also judging by the writeups his victory over tunney is every bit an impressive performance as robinson's title winning effort against la motta.

07-31-2012, 06:19 PM	#1
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janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,058 vCash: 1000	Re: harry greb That would be quite a time consuming exercise.
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08-01-2012, 04:50 AM	#4
lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,722 vCash: 330	Re: harry greb Use the search function. That aside if noone's answered when I get up i'll give it a shot.
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ripcity Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 12,052 vCash: 856	Re: harry greb I would like to know the weight diffrances in those fights where he beat heavyweights. Was he 160 going in to the fights or was he heavier? Were his oppoents 225 or were they closer to 200 or even 180?
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08-01-2012, 05:07 AM	#6
MrBumboclart Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Birmingham Posts: 342 vCash: 500	Re: harry greb I wrote this ages ago as to why he was the GOAT. I'll copy and paste: RESUME Who did he beat? In total 19 HALL OF FAMERS! In his 299 fights, victories included: - Tommy Loughran - Gene Tunney - Tiger Flowers - Tommy Burns - Mickey Walker - Maxie Rosenbloom - Kid Norfolk - Tommy Gibbons - Mike McTigue - Jack Dillon - Gunboat Smith (a legit heavyweight whom Greb KO'd in 1) - Battling Levinskey - Bill Brenan The list goes on and on! It seems every great fighters in his era, 160lbs or above, has at least one L on their record from the great Harry Greb. He was the first and only man to beat the light-heavyweight legend - Gene Tunney. Who outboxed Dempsey twice. During his career he won the middleweight and light-heavyweight belt, defending both well against top competition and coming out on top the majority of the time. Probably only Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali could challenge Greb in terms of resume, beating other greats in their greatness. Not only did he beat these great fighters but he beat some of them multiple times, sometimes even 6 or more times. RECORD I don't take record too seriously seeing as it's just a number and doesn't exactly tell you who someone beat, how they beat them e.c.t. However it is an important aspect of ranking a fighter. Greb's record stands at 104 Wins, only 8 Losses and 3 draws. And if you include Newspaper Decisions, Greb has a further 157 victories. As for his losses - one or more of the losses to Tunney in rematches are contested, many believe Greb got the better of Gene. His final fight with Tiger Flowers caused disruption in the crowds because of Greb being awarded a loss, not to mention a controversial DQ against Kid Norfolk. Greb squeezed 299 fights into only a 13 year career. And in 1917 alone, Greb fought 37 times. Very impressive!! ABILITY Just how much natural talent and ability did Greb have? Well the following fighters, who fought the best, all claim Harry Greb was the best they ever saw... Gene Tunney Jimmy McLarnin Chuck Wiggins Mickey Walker Maxie Rosenbloom Jack Dempsey Billy Conn In reality, every great fighter Greb fought, who was asked about it, named him as the greatest fighter that they fought and the greatest they had ever seen. Was he fast? Dempsey said he was quicker than Benny Leonard - a lightweight. Was he tough? Well, in 299 fights he was knocked out twice - once when he quit due to breaking his forearm and the second a fluke KO loss very early in his career. His stamina is stuff of legend. Throwing punches from the opening to closing bell, he was a swarmer supreme who gave slow, lumbering punchers hell trying to find the target, and smooth, boxers fits trying to keep range without getting overwhelmed. Greb was once described as a "cross between a wildcat and a hornet's nest." His punching power has been called into question, however during one stage of his career after damaging his leg and jepodising his movement, Greb took to punching and brawling and actually amounted an impressive streak of knockdowns and knockouts before his leg recovered and he went back to moving as quick as he could, throwing as much as he could, as fast as he could. In reality he never loaded up punches - just threw them as much as as fast as possible to overwhelm his opponent. VS SUGAR RAY ROBINSON Many rank Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest fighter of all times. Briefly, I'll convice you Greb is better... Head-to-Head: What styles gave Robinson trouble? The LaMotta's, the Fullmer's, the Basilio's. All swarming, inside fighting tough guys. Does anyone swarm and fight inside like Greb? No way. Greb would take away Ray's power and movement - IMO Greb beats him 2/3 in a trilogy. Success at lightheavyweight: Both were established middleweight fighters, both started at welterweight. However although both cemented their legacy as great middleweights, Harry was better P4P (weight jumping) by owning the light-heavyweight division (and becoming a decent contender at heavyweight also), beating the best their and claiming the title - something Robinson couldn't do. I also think in general the resume and record of Greb slightly overshadows Robinson's. Anyway, could you imagine Robinson giving Jack Dempsey a beating in sparring? I can't. But Greb did - twice!!
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08-01-2012, 05:52 AM	#7
janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,058 vCash: 1000	Re: harry greb O.K, so we are talking about which wins were biggest at the time? The fight where he won the middleweight title from Wilson is a no brainer. The Walker fight was the Pacquio Mayweather of its day. The third Tommy Gibbons win was huge, because Gibbons was riding sky high at the time. Brennan was highly touted, perhaps unwarantedly so when Greb first got his claws into him.
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08-01-2012, 05:58 AM	#8
ripcity Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 12,052 vCash: 856	Re: harry greb I'd still like to know the acatual weight diffrances.
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08-01-2012, 06:44 PM	#9
ripcity Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 12,052 vCash: 856	Re: harry greb Everyone who has him highly ranked points out to his wins over heavyweights. If they were 176-200 Lbs. Even if he was 160. It's not as impresive as it sounds.
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08-02-2012, 12:07 PM	#10
SLAKKA Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,694 vCash: 1000	Re: harry greb Just focus on his 4th fight with Tunney Sep 1924 Cleveland. Genes in his prime in the 182 ish lbs area. Harrys 30 yrs old, half blind, giving up plenty of heft and Jim Jab Cratty, Grebs hated enemy of the Pittburgh Press sez he won that fight.
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