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Old 01-22-2008, 03:22 PM   #1
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That never ran into a figter they couldn't knock out or at least bounce off the canvas...?

For example, people cite Lennox as being among the hardest hitting heavies of all time...

Yet he failed to knockout so many fighters it almost seems absurd at times, considering in total he had 44 fights.

Tucker, Mercer, McCall (Who ate his best shots and was doing the ****ing Ali shuffle in between them), Mavrovic (Who was supposedly damned near terminally ill by the time he fought Lennox, was outweighed by 30 pounds, and who was being hit so hard his head looked like it was going to come off his shoulders).

Then theres Holyfield (Twice) Tua, Vitali ate one of the hardest punches I think I've ever seen land from Lennox and was only stopped on a cut...

Just doesn't seem like he ever stopped an iron chinned fighter, and even "soft" chinned guys like Briggs ate a lot of power shots from Lennox.

Eh?
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Old 01-22-2008, 03:40 PM   #2
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Ok you dont like Lennox, just write it then instead of trying to put the spin out like this.....

Oooh by the way Lennox WAS among the biggest punchers ever!
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:23 PM   #3
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That never ran into a figter they couldn't knock out or at least bounce off the canvas...?

For example, people cite Lennox as being among the hardest hitting heavies of all time...

Yet he failed to knockout so many fighters it almost seems absurd at times, considering in total he had 44 fights.

Tucker, Mercer, McCall (Who ate his best shots and was doing the ****ing Ali shuffle in between them), Mavrovic (Who was supposedly damned near terminally ill by the time he fought Lennox, was outweighed by 30 pounds, and who was being hit so hard his head looked like it was going to come off his shoulders).

Then theres Holyfield (Twice) Tua, Vitali ate one of the hardest punches I think I've ever seen land from Lennox and was only stopped on a cut...

Just doesn't seem like he ever stopped an iron chinned fighter, and even "soft" chinned guys like Briggs ate a lot of power shots from Lennox.

Eh?
Well, Botha and Ruddock both had decent chins and he knocked them both to another continent. Tyson's chin was really good and he was knocked out as well. Don't think too many fighters would want to get in the way of that right hand.
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Old 01-22-2008, 05:33 PM   #4
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No, I dont think there's ever been a fighter who knocked down or knocked out everyone.

These days you get a lot of fighters with "KO" credited to them that didn't even knock down the opponent.
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I think that Shavers could have potentialy droped or hurt prety much anybody you could put in front of him.
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I think that Shavers could have potentialy droped or hurt prety much anybody you could put in front of him.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:18 PM   #7
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I think that Shavers could have potentialy droped or hurt prety much anybody you could put in front of him.
Boo for the double post

But HOORAY for a great point.

Shavers hit like a mack truck going into a brick wall at 65mph
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:32 PM   #8
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That never ran into a figter they couldn't knock out or at least bounce off the canvas...?

For example, people cite Lennox as being among the hardest hitting heavies of all time...

Yet he failed to knockout so many fighters it almost seems absurd at times, considering in total he had 44 fights.

Tucker, Mercer, McCall (Who ate his best shots and was doing the ****ing Ali shuffle in between them), Mavrovic (Who was supposedly damned near terminally ill by the time he fought Lennox, was outweighed by 30 pounds, and who was being hit so hard his head looked like it was going to come off his shoulders).

Then theres Holyfield (Twice) Tua, Vitali ate one of the hardest punches I think I've ever seen land from Lennox and was only stopped on a cut...

Just doesn't seem like he ever stopped an iron chinned fighter, and even "soft" chinned guys like Briggs ate a lot of power shots from Lennox.

Eh?
Well, how many people have genuinely knocked out Tucker, Mercer, McCall, Mavrovic, Tua, V. Kiltschko or Holyfield?

Here's a clue. You'll prolly only need the fingers of one hand to count them.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:59 PM   #9
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I am pretty certain that Prime John L Sullivan fits this description, or at least went close right up until his last fight with Jim Corbett, there wouldnt have been too many that survived the knockdown. Definitely the most underated fighter on the internet and arguably the best pure puncher the division has ever seen.

Jack Dempsey is another who would probably come close to doing this.
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Old 01-22-2008, 07:23 PM   #10
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Well, Botha and Ruddock both had decent chins and he knocked them both to another continent. Tyson's chin was really good and he was knocked out as well. Don't think too many fighters would want to get in the way of that right hand.
Tyson at that point in his career was put away by multiple journeymen.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:05 AM   #11
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No, I dont think there's ever been a fighter who knocked down or knocked out everyone.

These days you get a lot of fighters with "KO" credited to them that didn't even knock down the opponent.
James Jeffries scored a knock down or knock out in all his fights, except for his 5 year come back fight vs Jack Johnson.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:10 AM   #12
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Guess I'm asking for fighters who when they connected cleanly rocked their man or KO'ed him. Didn't absolutely have to each and every time, but when they connected...

Shaver's failed to KO Ali, for instance, but that's really not the all encompassing question...

He DID rock him, badly.

He dropped Holmes.

And so on.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:20 AM   #13
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That never ran into a figter they couldn't knock out or at least bounce off the canvas...?

For example, people cite Lennox as being among the hardest hitting heavies of all time...

Yet he failed to knockout so many fighters it almost seems absurd at times, considering in total he had 44 fights.

Tucker, Mercer, McCall (Who ate his best shots and was doing the ****ing Ali shuffle in between them), Mavrovic (Who was supposedly damned near terminally ill by the time he fought Lennox, was outweighed by 30 pounds, and who was being hit so hard his head looked like it was going to come off his shoulders).

Then theres Holyfield (Twice) Tua, Vitali ate one of the hardest punches I think I've ever seen land from Lennox and was only stopped on a cut...

Just doesn't seem like he ever stopped an iron chinned fighter, and even "soft" chinned guys like Briggs ate a lot of power shots from Lennox.

Eh?
I guess your bottom line is has there ever been a puncher who never ran into an opponent who could weather his best attack. I think the answer is no.

There never was a horse which couldn't be rode,
There never was a rider who couldn't be throwed,
There never was a gun who never met anyone as fast,
There never was a puncher who never met the man who could last.
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:21 AM   #14
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No-one.

And what's this about Mavrovic being ill for the Lewis fight?
That didn't happen until about a year later.

Mavrovic already had the rep for having a rock-solid chin, even back to his amateur days.
Felix Savon of all people even gave him big kudos for that after he outpointed the guy.

Epps and Billups are about the only guys I would've expected Lewis to get out of there. Billups was an admittedly bad day at the office, and Epps only avoided that by getting himself DQd. Everyone else had a quality chin and/or survival instincts (such as Ocasio).
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:27 PM   #15
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Guess I'm asking for fighters who when they connected cleanly rocked their man or KO'ed him. Didn't absolutely have to each and every time, but when they connected...

Shaver's failed to KO Ali, for instance, but that's really not the all encompassing question...

He DID rock him, badly.

He dropped Holmes.

And so on.

Hi Russell,

One fighter that stood up to Shaver's power was Ron Stander.

Shavers smashed Stander with some heavy punches, but Stander
survived and went on to KO Shavers in the 5th round.

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