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Old 01-23-2008, 06:29 PM   #16
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Nice, going to have to look into that one.

Thanks, grebfan.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:01 PM   #17
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When Tex Cobb was at his best, nobody could have taken him out. This was a man who stood up to the hardest kicks to the head. Nobody, no matter how hard they punched, could have possibly measured up to the power of a kick. Tex also withstood the bombs Earnie Shavers delivered to his body.

Simply put, there has never been an irresistable force in boxing, only immovable objects. In a hypothetical matchup between the most potent attack and the most impervious target, the target will remain standing.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:02 PM   #18
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Any idea how Cobb slipped to the point of being blown out in 1 round, Duo?
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:34 PM   #19
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Has there ever been a heavyweight that hit like a cement truck going through a McDonald's wall at 45 mph?

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Old 01-24-2008, 04:41 PM   #20
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Any idea how Cobb slipped to the point of being blown out in 1 round, Duo?
Powdered white stuff up the nose may have had something to do with that Russ. Tex should have stuck to beer.
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Old 01-24-2008, 06:08 PM   #21
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That never ran into a figter they couldn't knock out or at least bounce off the canvas...?

For example, people cite Lennox as being among the hardest hitting heavies of all time...

Yet he failed to knockout so many fighters it almost seems absurd at times, considering in total he had 44 fights.

Tucker, Mercer, McCall (Who ate his best shots and was doing the ****ing Ali shuffle in between them), Mavrovic (Who was supposedly damned near terminally ill by the time he fought Lennox, was outweighed by 30 pounds, and who was being hit so hard his head looked like it was going to come off his shoulders).

Then theres Holyfield (Twice) Tua, Vitali ate one of the hardest punches I think I've ever seen land from Lennox and was only stopped on a cut...

Just doesn't seem like he ever stopped an iron chinned fighter, and even "soft" chinned guys like Briggs ate a lot of power shots from Lennox.

Eh?
How about the supposed power hitter Mike Tyson. All the common opponents he shares with Lewis that Tyson KO'd, Well, Lewis Ko'd them too but in quicker time. He also made Tucker hit the canvas twice something which Tyson couldnt do to a broken handed Tucker.

Tyson couldn'y KO such luminaries as Mitch Green, James Tillis, Bonehugger Smith or Tony Tucker....etc etc etc..

But all that is beside the point. The point is that the original post is a sad thinly disguised, possibly a sour grapelike touch of jingoism aimed solely at discrediting Lennox Lewis.

If a 1986 Tyson couldnt stop Green or Tillis, how the hell would he stop Mercer or McCall.
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Old 01-24-2008, 06:24 PM   #22
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How about the supposed power hitter Mike Tyson. All the common opponents he shares with Lewis that Tyson KO'd, Well, Lewis Ko'd them too but in quicker time. He also made Tucker hit the canvas twice something which Tyson couldnt do to a broken handed Tucker.

Tyson couldn'y KO such luminaries as Mitch Green, James Tillis, Bonehugger Smith or Tony Tucker....etc etc etc..

But all that is beside the point. The point is that the original post is a sad thinly disguised, possibly a sour grapelike touch of jingoism aimed solely at discrediting Lennox Lewis.

If a 1986 Tyson couldnt stop Green or Tillis, how the hell would he stop Mercer or McCall.
And after the ten rounder with Green, many boxing analysts began stating that Tyson's power was more on a par with Joe Frazier's than Foreman's, as the public relations hype machine had been suggesting.

Rather than getting fed numerous knockoffs and stiffs during his development, Tyson needed exposure to live opponents who could extend him. He did have a good chin, and some resistance to cuts and swelling. If the 15 round distance had continued to remain the championship standard, he might have become the greatest attrition heavyweight of modern times. Frazier and Marciano had the sort of rugged upbringing in professional competition Tyson needed. And if Tyson had been finding himself in competitive wars which forced him to apply greater dedication to his preparation, then perhaps he wouldn't have felt the luxury of being able to indulge in the behaviours which led to his self destruction.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:25 AM   #23
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I think that Shavers could have potentialy droped or hurt prety much anybody you could put in front of him.
With the possible exception of Tex Cobb, George Chuvalo, or Mitch Green.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:31 PM   #24
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Everyone had a good and bad day .... even Mister Marciano had days when he had to climb off the floor to rescue his championship.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:39 PM   #25
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The only two knockdowns Marciano suffered were flash ones.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:53 PM   #26
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if any big puncher especially a great fighter like lewis catches someone clean they should drop heavilly.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:07 PM   #27
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Hmm.

Rocky Marciano was 49-0-0 with 43 knockouts.

Of the six fights he won by decision:

One was to Ezzard Charles, who he stopped in the rematch three months later.

One was to Willis Applegate - he failed to score a KD in this one.

Two were to Ted Lowry.

One was to Roland LeStarza, who he later KO'd defending his title.

One was to Tom Mogard.

He only ran into three men he couldn't KO, and he KO'd every guy he ever fought for the title with (getting Charles in the rematch).

Pretty impressive!
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:20 PM   #28
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He also only had 49 fights, and only fought for eight years.

A badly past his prime Ezzard went 15 hard rounds with Marciano the first time.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:47 PM   #29
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He also only had 49 fights, and only fought for eight years.

A badly past his prime Ezzard went 15 hard rounds with Marciano the first time.
Your point?

Charles fought to survive from round 10 onwards in the first fight, and got brutally stopped in the second.

To put his fight total into perspective, the following lineal champions -

Patterson had 64, Liston had 54, Clay/Ali had 61, Frazier had 37, and Foreman had 47 after he lost to Young and retired.

None of those guys went undefeated for as long as Marciano did. Many of them (Patterson, Liston, Ali) fought far past their primes.

Larry Holmes was 48-2 when he fought Tyson 15 years into his pro career.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:57 PM   #30
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Everyone you mentioned sans Frazier had more fights than Marciano.

And THAT'S the point.

Eight years doesn't speak very highly of his longetivity, and I've got zero doubt Marciano would of failed stopping plenty of fighters if he'd fought for twenty years like Ali, or even longer like Holmes and Foreman.

He got out without slipping, hanging on too long, having delusions of being capable years past his best.

Plenty of fighters could of looked equally "unbeatable" if they packed it in during a given time.
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