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Old 08-06-2012, 03:25 PM   #16
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Ricardo Lopez does not make boxrec's top 60 Mexican p4p list , nor does he make my own top 30 list of Mexican fighters , nor does he make my top 120 p4p OAT .


Lopez does not get flack in these parts , he is vastly over8ed in these parts , baring a select few .

Who sez Kevin Watts > Ricardo Lopez ?
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:07 PM   #17
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Thin resume. Fantastic fighter. Great haircut.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:19 PM   #18
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For Lopez' infighting watch rd 6 and 7 here: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:33 PM   #19
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Lopez knew the public was questioning his competition.

He should have moved up and taken on the legit Flyweight Champion.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:00 PM   #20
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Ricardo Lopez does not make boxrec's top 60 Mexican p4p list , nor does he make my own top 30 list of Mexican fighters , nor does he make my top 120 p4p OAT .


Lopez does not get flack in these parts , he is vastly over8ed in these parts , baring a select few .

Who sez Kevin Watts > Ricardo Lopez ?
Always intelligible as usual.

Let's just say, I've seen a lot of great fighters live over the past 20 years, Whitaker, Chavez, Jones, Jr, Tyson, Lewis, old ass Holmes...

Lopez is cut from their cloth. Plain and simple. His skill and physical level was amazing. And it just wasn't a matter of subpar opposition.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:33 PM   #21
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Lopez is my most favorite, favorite fighter of all time. I don't think I've ever seen a fighter that was this well rounded and beautiful to watch.

But unlike most people I try to tell it like it is instead of just giving him big ups without any criticism. Top 100 seems harsh, considering how dominant he was and how many title defenses he had, but I just can't see him around the Top 10. Top 50 makes sense.

Lopez is probably the best fighter to study from for any beginning fighters. Just an incredible technique.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:47 PM   #22
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Those of you who argue that he was too small to be considered for a high pound for pound ranking. I don't get it. Isn't that what Pound for Pound means?
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:52 PM   #23
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In terms of what someone can do in a ring. What I often refer to as Skills/Ability/Talent My ranking looks like
1. Benny Leonard
2. Ray Robinson
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Ray Leonard
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Roy Jones
7. Ricardo Lopez
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:38 PM   #24
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Top 75 for me

Great fighter but not completely flawless and as some other posters stated, he had less than stellar opposition.

He should have and maybe could have moved up in weight, he looks quite big for his weightclass
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:24 AM   #25
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Lopez knew the public was questioning his competition.

He should have moved up and taken on the legit Flyweight Champion.
Some light flyweight contenders and champions could have been enough
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:31 AM   #26
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Those of you who argue that he was too small to be considered for a high pound for pound ranking. I don't get it. Isn't that what Pound for Pound means?
Oh, Rippy.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:32 AM   #27
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Always intelligible as usual.

Let's just say, I've seen a lot of great fighters live over the past 20 years, Whitaker, Chavez, Jones, Jr, Tyson, Lewis, old ass Holmes...

Lopez is cut from their cloth. Plain and simple. His skill and physical level was amazing. And it just wasn't a matter of subpar opposition.
Whitaker a borderline great , Chavez yes . D rest , not .
And Lopez , not .


However there really were a lot of gr8 fighters over d past 20 years (and many many more so in say , 1980-2000) :

Pacquiao , Marquez , Wright , McCall , Tua , Byrd , Toney , Orlin Norris , Holyfield , Valuev & Vitali (in h2h terms) , Omar Andres Narvaez , Quartey , DLH (even he was gr8 compared 2d list u posted) , Jose Luis Lopez , Danny Perez , Lovermore Ndou , Donaire , Darchinyan , Froch and more .
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:10 AM   #28
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I don't think it's more complicated than that he is relatively modern. His standing will rise wiith time.

But sublime - close to perfect - skills, some 20 wins in title fights, no losses and few close fights makes for a great, great fighter. If you put heavy stock on how a fighter looks on film top 10 is not unreasonable, but his record doesn't really hold that level. Top 50 surely, though.
Top 50? I assume you have Chang in the top ten then?
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:12 AM   #29
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Those of you who argue that he was too small to be considered for a high pound for pound ranking. I don't get it. Isn't that what Pound for Pound means?
Not what we're saying you window licker.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:13 AM   #30
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Always intelligible as usual.

Let's just say, I've seen a lot of great fighters live over the past 20 years, Whitaker, Chavez, Jones, Jr, Tyson, Lewis, old ass Holmes...

Lopez is cut from their cloth. Plain and simple. His skill and physical level was amazing. And it just wasn't a matter of subpar opposition.
Agreed. But I put the guys cut from the same cloth with the superior opposition, of which there are many, above him.
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