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Old 05-07-2013, 01:42 PM   #1
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Default Wlad has been champion for 7 years-

Involved in 15 world titles fights, defending 14 times-


Say we transported Wlad version to another 7 year period how would he do-


Ive picked Feb 1990 to Feb 1997-


I also picked the guys that fought for the heavyweight titles but chose the lineal path for the from 1990 to 1995 then took the WBC/WBA route as it was the oldest belt and most significant with the best fighters fighting for it)


Also it would be those exact fighter from those exact fights....So Holyfield in 1990 was very different to the 1996 version ...i reckon he was better in 1996, also M. Tyson in 1990 to the version of 1996 was different too-

Fighters and there record-

1990-

Feb M. Tyson 37-0

Jul B. Douglas 29-4-1 (added as he was due the shot in Feb)

Nov E. Holyfield 24-0

1991

April G. Foreman 69-2

Nov B. Cooper 26-7

1992

June L. Holmes 54-3

Nov R. Bowe 31-0

1993 (Change to Bowe opponents)

Feb M. Dokes 50-3-2

May J. Ferguson 19-9

Nov E. Holyfield II 29-1

1994

Feb M. Moorer 35-0

Nov G. Foreman II 72-4

1995

April A. Schulz 21-1-1

(After this fight Foreman dosent fight for 18 months and then takes on a journeyman and all but surrenders his number 1 status so i chose O. McCall WBC belt at the time )

July O. McCall 26-5

Sep F. Bruno 39-4

1996

March M. Tyson 43-1

Sep B. Seldon 33-3

(Tyson/King sidestep Lewis who looks to be the best Now)

Nov E. Holyfield III 32-3

1997

Feb L. Lewis 29-1



All in all 19 title fights here from a random moment in history 1990 to 1997- Predict Wlad results and total win/loss/draw record!
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:43 PM   #2
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Damned impressive.
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:58 PM   #3
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Involved in 15 world titles fights, defending 14 times-


Say we transported Wlad version to another 7 year period how would he do-


Ive picked Feb 1990 to Feb 1997-


I also picked the guys that fought for the heavyweight titles but chose the lineal path for the from 1990 to 1995 then took the WBC/WBA route as it was the oldest belt and most significant with the best fighters fighting for it)


Also it would be those exact fighter from those exact fights....So Holyfield in 1990 was very different to the 1996 version ...i reckon he was better in 1996, also M. Tyson in 1990 to the version of 1996 was different too-

Fighters and there record-

1990-

Feb M. Tyson 37-0

Jul B. Douglas 29-4-1 (added as he was due the shot in Feb)

Nov E. Holyfield 24-0

1991

April G. Foreman 69-2

Nov B. Cooper 26-7

1992

June L. Holmes 54-3

Nov R. Bowe 31-0

1993 (Change to Bowe opponents)

Feb M. Dokes 50-3-2

May J. Ferguson 19-9

Nov E. Holyfield II 29-1

1994

Feb M. Moorer 35-0

Nov G. Foreman II 72-4

1995

April A. Schulz 21-1-1

(After this fight Foreman dosent fight for 18 months and then takes on a journeyman and all but surrenders his number 1 status so i chose O. McCall WBC belt at the time )

July O. McCall 26-5

Sep F. Bruno 39-4

1996

March M. Tyson 43-1

Sep B. Seldon 33-3

(Tyson/King sidestep Lewis who looks to be the best Now)

Nov E. Holyfield III 32-3

1997

Feb L. Lewis 29-1



All in all 19 title fights here from a random moment in history 1990 to 1997- Predict Wlad results and total win/loss/draw record!


Me personally having thought of it id go-

1990
Lost Ko M. Tyson
Win Ko B. Douglas
Lost PTS Holyfield
1991

Win pts Foreman
Win Ko Cooper
1992
Win pts Holmes
Lost KO Bowe

1993
Win pts Dokes

Win ko Ferguson

Win pts Holyfield II

1994

Win ko Moorer

Win pts Foreman II

1995

Win ko Schulz

Win pts McCall

Win ko Bruno

1996
Lose Ko Tyson II

Win ko Seldon

Lose ko Holyfield

1997

Lose ko Lewis


Goes 13-6 out of 19 title fights
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:00 PM   #4
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Wlad has made 7 defenses of the same title that Joe Louis held, he got that title when he beat chagev


In a day of many belts he has a good number of defenses, but comparing like for like he has less than a 3rd of defenses as the record holder.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:01 PM   #5
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Wlad has made 7 defenses of the same title that Joe Louis held, he got that title when he beat chagev


In a day of many belts he has a good number of defenses, but comparing like for like he has less than a 3rd of defenses as the record holder.
What do you think he does with that run of fights
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:13 PM   #6
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Involved in 15 world titles fights, defending 14 times-


Say we transported Wlad version to another 7 year period how would he do-


Ive picked Feb 1990 to Feb 1997-


I also picked the guys that fought for the heavyweight titles but chose the lineal path for the from 1990 to 1995 then took the WBC/WBA route as it was the oldest belt and most significant with the best fighters fighting for it)


Also it would be those exact fighter from those exact fights....So Holyfield in 1990 was very different to the 1996 version ...i reckon he was better in 1996, also M. Tyson in 1990 to the version of 1996 was different too-

Fighters and there record-

1990-

Feb M. Tyson 37-0

Jul B. Douglas 29-4-1 (added as he was due the shot in Feb)

Nov E. Holyfield 24-0

1991

April G. Foreman 69-2

Nov B. Cooper 26-7

1992

June L. Holmes 54-3

Nov R. Bowe 31-0

1993 (Change to Bowe opponents)

Feb M. Dokes 50-3-2

May J. Ferguson 19-9

Nov E. Holyfield II 29-1

1994

Feb M. Moorer 35-0

Nov G. Foreman II 72-4

1995

April A. Schulz 21-1-1

(After this fight Foreman dosent fight for 18 months and then takes on a journeyman and all but surrenders his number 1 status so i chose O. McCall WBC belt at the time )

July O. McCall 26-5

Sep F. Bruno 39-4

1996

March M. Tyson 43-1

Sep B. Seldon 33-3

(Tyson/King sidestep Lewis who looks to be the best Now)

Nov E. Holyfield III 32-3

1997

Feb L. Lewis 29-1



All in all 19 title fights here from a random moment in history 1990 to 1997- Predict Wlad results and total win/loss/draw record!

So he basically get Prime Lewis at the very end of his reign? Not that it matters one bit.. but he will get brutally knocked the **** out and everyone will say he was a fraud ....

I think he loses to Tyson towards the beginning as well.

Why don't you just match Wlad up against the top 10 of the 90's instead of doing this.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:26 PM   #7
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So he basically get Prime Lewis at the very end of his reign? Not that it matters one bit.. but he will get brutally knocked the **** out and everyone will say he was a fraud ....

I think he loses to Tyson towards the beginning as well.

Why don't you just match Wlad up against the top 10 of the 90's instead of doing this.

I think the run of fights would be more interesting- Since it accounts for wear and tear etc.


He gone 15-0 in this era, but 13-6 in another so from my anaylsis this era is alot weaker.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:47 PM   #8
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I think that he losses to Tyson in the early 90s and Lewis in the late 90s, however the rest of the fights are winnable for Wlad. I think both Tyson and Holyfield declined towards the end of 1990 as well. So the early battles with Holyfield would be the most dangerous for Wlad, but I think that Wladimir could beat him.
Bowe was good, but very inconsistent and not THAT good, I could very well see Wladimir decision him..
Also Wlad getting the best of Mike Tyson in the late 90s isn't unlikely either.
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I think that he losses to Tyson in the early 90s and Lewis in the late 90s, however the rest of the fights are winnable for Wlad.
Yep Lewis and Tyson in these periods both by ko imo

Difficult with the others because wlad hasn't had the same level of opposition to judge him by....

I think Bowe AT HIS BEST stands a good chance because wlad couldn't compete on the inside but I think wlad holds when he gets close and punishes him from range and frustrates bowe into mistakes

Holyfield I don't think could live with his size and strength especially now he looked huge vs pianeta his training and nutrition must be spot on while holyfield pound for pound was better boxer I think the physical aspect makes the difference

As for tyson late on it's pick him for me again Wlad leans on and holds the shorter guy close and trys to keep it at range the way he made haye look silly but tyson even in decline is a very different animal
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:43 PM   #10
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I think the run of fights would be more interesting- Since it accounts for wear and tear etc.


He gone 15-0 in this era, but 13-6 in another so from my anaylsis this era is alot weaker.
Ahh gotcha..

Well I think he will lose to Holyfield (of that version) Bowe,Lewis and Tyson. Wlad's greatest strength is his dedication to boxing. He is never unprepared.. That's why his losses to Brewster-Sanders-Purrity are double edge swords.. He don't have the excuse of 'not motivated or prepared' because he's always motivated and prepared............That being said he will still lose to the top 4 of the 90's and his chin is always in question.

Bowe is a 6'5 235-237 Pound fighter.. who is a monster on the inside.. He got a good chin and will dominate Wlad with in fighting. It's a different thing controlling the outside vs Thompson's 6'5 compare to Bowe's 6'5..

Tyson is just a styles nightmare..

HOlyfield-Wlad is 50.50

Lewis will KO Wlad..... any version. It will be pretty brutal too.
Think Grant-Lewis.

I think Wlad will lose these 4......... He might win the rest but with his suspect chin and the number of punchers you listed............. he could drop one at any time.
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I think that he losses to Tyson in the early 90s and Lewis in the late 90s, however the rest of the fights are winnable for Wlad. I think both Tyson and Holyfield declined towards the end of 1990 as well. So the early battles with Holyfield would be the most dangerous for Wlad, but I think that Wladimir could beat him.
Bowe was good, but very inconsistent and not THAT good, I could very well see Wladimir decision him..
Also Wlad getting the best of Mike Tyson in the late 90s isn't unlikely either.
so you reckon he has a 16-3 record only lossing to tyson twice and holy once
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I think that he losses to Tyson in the early 90s and Lewis in the late 90s, however the rest of the fights are winnable for Wlad. I think both Tyson and Holyfield declined towards the end of 1990 as well. So the early battles with Holyfield would be the most dangerous for Wlad, but I think that Wladimir could beat him.
Bowe was good, but very inconsistent and not THAT good, I could very well see Wladimir decision him..
Also Wlad getting the best of Mike Tyson in the late 90s isn't unlikely either.
so you reckon he has a 15-4 record only lossing to tyson twice, lewis and holy once
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Ahh gotcha..

Well I think he will lose to Holyfield (of that version) Bowe,Lewis and Tyson. Wlad's greatest strength is his dedication to boxing. He is never unprepared.. That's why his losses to Brewster-Sanders-Purrity are double edge swords.. He don't have the excuse of 'not motivated or prepared' because he's always motivated and prepared............That being said he will still lose to the top 4 of the 90's and his chin is always in question.

Bowe is a 6'5 235-237 Pound fighter.. who is a monster on the inside.. He got a good chin and will dominate Wlad with in fighting. It's a different thing controlling the outside vs Thompson's 6'5 compare to Bowe's 6'5..

Tyson is just a styles nightmare..

HOlyfield-Wlad is 50.50

Lewis will KO Wlad..... any version. It will be pretty brutal too.
Think Grant-Lewis.

I think Wlad will lose these 4......... He might win the rest but with his suspect chin and the number of punchers you listed............. he could drop one at any time.

so you got him 15-4 too
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:42 PM   #14
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we all like Wlad but the title that Foreman,Louis,Ali and all them had is The Ring/lineal title which Wlad got in 2009. So not 7 years. He's had a WBO belt for 7 years but a WBO belt isn't the "heavyweight championship of the world."
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:48 PM   #15
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He does not beat any version of Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson during the 90's.

Riddick Bowe..? Well the wreck that Golota faced twice he might well beat, but any other early 90's version..? he gets mugged.

Wladimir Kiltschko would beat David Tua though, and Ike Ibeuchie sp*

And i don't think he would be a easy fight for most heavyweights of the 90's, they would all be stressed coming into the fight.
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