T.K.O. in 6

[JASPER]

Originally Posted by haworths623

I applaud IB for this, everyone who comes on here for a frank debate about boxing has to put up with 100 threads a day labout Vitali-Lewis and Mayweather-Pacquiao.

Oh and just for the record-

TKO 6!

at one time i thought that we did not need a sticky about Manny and Money but it seems like the tards are slowly starting to creep back in now that Mayweather is not actively boxing (imagine him needed time to get back in ring shape after spending a few months in solitary?!). So I think it is high time that a sticky is made for anything Money/May.

[millertime1367]

Originally Posted by thesandman

Mate, you've been here a month. You should get the lay of the land before you start telling people how to run their forums.
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You have no idea how many pages have been posted on this topic. Literally thousands.

There were a couple of threads hundreds of pages long prior to a couple of ESB crashes.

New threads on this topic were STILL being opened constantly. And every one within about 5 posts ended up a carbon copy of the previous ones.

This is a topic that simply has not gone away since the day of the fight.

Creating one, mega troll catching net of a thread was the best thing that could have been done.

It catches the genuine Klitschko nutjobs, the Klitschko fans that aren't too bad and like a wind up, the guys like me that while Im a Lewis fan, I like winding up nutters even more, and of course the blind Lewis fans.

It's great. The same posts keep repeating themselves every few pages. Hell, even Mongooses crazy movie posts fit right in. This is not a thread for rational discussion.

Honestly mate, just don't read it if you don't like it.

Oh. I nearly forgot.

"There's absolutely no doubt Vitlay would have gottem KO'd in the 7th"

TKO6.

good post

Too bad rational discussion can't be had....

If there was a seventh round though........

I think it would have been more back and forth....Lewis had the upper hand as the sixth would show...Vitali's vision partially obstructed..Lewis most likely has the upper hand in the seventh but i don't think we see a KO from either iron chinned warrior.....no way the doctor lets it continue after another round though

a great fight, rematch would have been great...had the fight happened a few years earlier maybe a trilogy to rival Holy-Bowe....

and the thread continues

[Drew101]

Originally Posted by millertime1367

a great fight, rematch would have been great...had the fight happened a few years earlier maybe a trilogy to rival Holy-Bowe....

and the thread continues

It;s funny, but without a cut, I see Vitali and Lennox going to a decision every time they fight. And they probably go back and forth, at least for a while, every time they fight, too. They both have styles and attributes that would allow them to trouble one another...to no end, quite possibly.

A three fight series would have been fun to watch, that's for damned sure.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by Drew101

It;s funny, but without a cut, I see Vitali and Lennox going to a decision every time they fight. And they probably go back and forth, at least for a while, every time they fight, too. They both have styles and attributes that would allow them to trouble one another...to no end, quite possibly.

A three fight series would have been fun to watch, that's for damned sure.

I don't think Vitali - despite having heavy hands - possesses near the one-punch power of the pair who cold-cocked Lewis.

OTOH, as powerful as Lewis was himself, Vitali's chin is insane.

[chinachin]

TKO 6 is all boxing needs to know.

[JASPER]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

I don't think Vitali - despite having heavy hands - possesses near the one-punch power of the pair who cold-cocked Lewis.

OTOH, as powerful as Lewis was himself, Vitali's chin is insane.

LL had him hanging on like a drunken whore at the end of TKO6. Vitali does not have the defensive skills to not be put to sleep Vs a prime Lewis. (YES I know statistically he has great D but look at his comp)

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by JASPER

LL had him hanging on like a drunken whore at the end of TKO6. Vitali does not have the defensive skills to not be put to sleep Vs a prime Lewis. (YES I know statistically he has great D but look at his camp)

That was from Lewis' power compounded by Vitali's blood loss.

While a cuts TKO win is no fluke, cuts themselves are a somewhat flukey occurrence in the sense that if they fought 10 times you wouldn't necessarily see Vitali cut by Lennox's punches each time.

[millertime1367]

Originally Posted by JASPER

LL had him hanging on like a drunken whore at the end of TKO6. Vitali does not have the defensive skills to not be put to sleep Vs a prime Lewis. (YES I know statistically he has great D but look at his comp)

round 2 didn't look so stable for LL either.....I think it is safe to say, backed up by evidence in there fight as well as the fact that LL was past prime, that both of these guys have what it takes to at least score a KD of the other pvp......we have never seen Vitali on his butt so we can't really say how he would react to a KD.....prime Lennox was a great finisher........

[millertime1367]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

That was from Lewis' power compounded by Vitali's blood loss.

While a cuts TKO win is no fluke, cuts themselves are a somewhat flukey occurrence in the sense that if they fought 10 times you wouldn't necessarily see Vitali cut by Lennox's punches each time.

careful IB....too much agreeable discourse and this thread could break

but Yes! i said this a few pages back....totally agree

[jisi]

Originally Posted by chinachin

TKO 6 is all boxing needs to know.

[JASPER]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

That was from Lewis' power compounded by Vitali's blood loss.

While a cuts TKO win is no fluke, cuts themselves are a somewhat flukey occurrence in the sense that if they fought 10 times you wouldn't necessarily see Vitali cut by Lennox's punches each time.

Originally Posted by millertime1367

round 2 didn't look so stable for LL either.....I think it is safe to say, backed up by evidence in there fight as well as the fact that LL was past prime, that both of these guys have what it takes to at least score a KD of the other pvp......we have never seen Vitali on his butt so we can't really say how he would react to a KD.....prime Lennox was a great finisher........

I have to disagree with both points. the amount of blood loss by Vitali should not have had that much impact on him in the sense of being vulnerable to being KOed. He should not have been light headed due to the blood loss. An argument could be made that because of his blood he could not see the punches coming . . . which is a legit argument.

As for being LL being shaky in round 2 it has been proven in the ring when LL is not properly prepared he is vulnerable to getting KTFO. I do not think Vitali had the power to do that.

I think prime v prime it would be very clear from the onset that Lennox is a class above. I do not mean that to besmirch Vitali, rather it shows how great LL really was. I think LL is cut from the same cloth as Holmes, Ali, Mariciano, Louis, Dempsey, Tunney and Johnson. He not only had the natural gifts, the training but he also had the competition that made him into a great fighter. I think Little bro has become a better boxer and fighter then older Bros even thou I see Vitali doing better against the former greats because he has a better beard. But even Wlad will come up short because unfortunately he does not have the comp to take him to that next level. I wish someone would emerge to become a real threat and force Wlad to go to that next level but I just do not see it . . . its to bad TBH

[millertime1367]

Originally Posted by JASPER

I have to disagree with both points. the amount of blood loss by Vitali should not have had that much impact on him in the sense of being vulnerable to being KOed. He should not have been light headed due to the blood loss. An argument could be made that because of his blood he could not see the punches coming . . . which is a legit argument.

As for being LL being shaky in round 2 it has been proven in the ring when LL is not properly prepared he is vulnerable to getting KTFO. I do not think Vitali had the power to do that.

I think prime v prime it would be very clear from the onset that Lennox is a class above. I do not mean that to besmirch Vitali, rather it shows how great LL really was. I think LL is cut from the same cloth as Holmes, Ali, Mariciano, Louis, Dempsey, Tunney and Johnson. He not only had the natural gifts, the training but he also had the competition that made him into a great fighter. I think Little bro has become a better boxer and fighter then older Bros even thou I see Vitali doing better against the former greats because he has a better beard. But even Wlad will come up short because unfortunately he does not have the comp to take him to that next level. I wish someone would emerge to become a real threat and force Wlad to go to that next level but I just do not see it . . . its to bad TBH

yea, i don't know that the blood loss had him light headed or woosey...I'm just saying its likely the cut and blood loss effected his performance.....aside from blood blurring his vision...I think such a cut, and first major cut for Vitali if im not mistaken, could have easily derailed his game plan....a negative distraction for him either way

What from the onset showed you that Lennox is a class above? I saw a very evenly matched bout. LL obviously rose to the occasion and did what he had to do....a true champion......on the same token, I don't think it is a disrespect to list the brothers along with past ATGs....I'm not naively saying they march through them or anything...but just that h2h they would be competitive and cannot be written off because their resume and era.

LL was not in his best form...I'd say that is valid....i do agree with your statement about having the competition that makes you into a great fighter.....the harder you are pushed the better you become....therefor i would argue that Vitali was pre-prime....not green, but for the sake of determining a "prime" Vitali one cannot discount the championship experience gained during TKO6

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by millertime1367

yea, i don't know that the blood loss had him light headed or woosey...I'm just saying its likely the cut and blood loss effected his performance.....aside from blood blurring his vision...I think such a cut, and first major cut for Vitali if im not mistaken, could have easily derailed his game plan....a negative distraction for him either way

What from the onset showed you that Lennox is a class above? I saw a very evenly matched bout. LL obviously rose to the occasion and did what he had to do....a true champion......on the same token, I don't think it is a disrespect to list the brothers along with past ATGs....I'm not naively saying they march through them or anything...but just that h2h they would be competitive and cannot be written off because their resume and era.

LL was not in his best form...I'd say that is valid....i do agree with your statement about having the competition that makes you into a great fighter.....the harder you are pushed the better you become....therefor i would argue that Vitali was pre-prime....not green, but for the sake of determining a "prime" Vitali one cannot discount the championship experience gained during TKO6

I think Lewis was the better overall fighter and would have adjusted in a rematch. But there is little doubt the cut affected Vits performance as it got worse. His biggest problem was he lacked real defensive skills. He does fine with what he's got against inferior comp, but he had nothing to keep Lewis off him those last two rounds. Not being able to see surely magnified the situation.

[jisi]

Originally Posted by JAB5239

I think Lewis was the better overall fighter and would have adjusted in a rematch. But there is little doubt the cut affected Vits performance as it got worse. His biggest problem was he lacked real defensive skills. He does fine with what he's got against inferior comp, but he had nothing to keep Lewis off him those last two rounds. Not being able to see surely magnified the situation.

Lewis was the much better fighter. The problem was Vitali thought he could knock Lewis out with one punch. But after he realized Lewis can take his punches, the situation was difficult for him. Vitali had not real fight plan. Again bad corner work from his coach Sdunek, instead of telling Vitali to try to knock Lewis out after Vitali was cut, Vitali tries to box with Lewis. Lewis was to clever for this and all the clinching from Vitali makes himself tired.

Emanuel Steward said before the fight, Vitali will not step back and this will be the reason he will lose. Steward was right, the weight of Lewis tired Vitali up. This shows Lewis could change his plan after 6 rounds Vitali was done. Lewis would have knock him out in the 7the round.

The stoppage was legal. If not, Vitali would have lost his eye or health.

The doctor made the right decision.

[bremen]

Originally Posted by jisi

Lewis was the much better fighter. The problem was Vitali thought he could knock Lewis out with one punch. But after he realized Lewis can take his punches, the situation was difficult for him. Vitali had not real fight plan. Again bad corner work from his coach Sdunek, instead of telling Vitali to try to knock Lewis out after Vitali was cut, Vitali tries to box with Lewis. Lewis was to clever for this and all the clinching from Vitali makes himself tired.

Emanuel Steward said before the fight, Vitali will not step back and this will be the reason he will lose. Steward was right, the weight of Lewis tired Vitali up. This shows Lewis could change his plan after 6 rounds Vitali was done. Lewis would have knock him out in the 7the round.

The stoppage was legal. If not, Vitali would have lost his eye or health.

The doctor made the right decision.

You are missing the point. The decision after stoppage was wrong. The cut was caused by thumbing and the outcome should have been TD6 for Vitali according to the rules.