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Old 08-22-2012, 09:47 PM   #901
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Look at this pathetic display. Childish. Put your feathers back down, little pea****.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:50 PM   #902
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Boxers don't train to cut up their opponents faces. Winning on cuts is pretty illegitimate especially when getting outboxed the entire fight. It's something called luck, and that's the problem.

Lennox Lewis lucked out to have the doctor end the fight. Out of 10 fights, Vitali wins 9. The fight proved that Vitali is much better technically and just look at the compubox stats. Vitali dominated every single statistical factor, landing many more power shots along with many more punches. Vitali almost put down Lewis 2x in the first 6, imagine what he'd do after that where he always does better in the 2nd half of the fight?

There's a thing called luck in sports: Lewis was lucky, but he isn't more skilled than Vitali. If you think so, you're an idiot and you never watched the bout. Vitali did win the event, because he showed that he was better and Lewis was simply lucky.
Boxers train to punch their opponent, and professional boxers do so with the intent of producing some sort of effect. Sometimes that effect is as simple as disrupting an opponent's rhythm andn stopping them in their tracks, and sometimes that intent is to cause damage to their opponent that will prevent them from being capable of fighting at all. Lewis threw that right hand in the third with bad intentions, and it most certainly was designed to produce some sort of effect. And it produced a desired result not due to luck, but rather because Lewis was a trained professional who spent years training his body to be able to threw right hands that could connect and cause significant damage to large, similarly well trained opponents.

TKO6 didn't happen because Lewis was lucky...

TKO6 happened because Lewis was good.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:52 PM   #903
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Boxers don't train to cut up their opponents faces. Winning on cuts is pretty illegitimate especially when getting outboxed the entire fight. It's something called luck, and that's the problem.

Lennox Lewis lucked out to have the doctor end the fight. Out of 10 fights, Vitali wins 9. The fight proved that Vitali is much better technically and just look at the compubox stats. Vitali dominated every single statistical factor, landing many more power shots along with many more punches. Vitali almost put down Lewis 2x in the first 6, imagine what he'd do after that where he always does better in the 2nd half of the fight?

There's a thing called luck in sports: Lewis was lucky, but he isn't more skilled than Vitali. If you think so, you're an idiot and you never watched the bout. Vitali did win the event, because he showed that he was better and Lewis was simply lucky.

Since you put it that way!






















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Old 08-22-2012, 11:26 PM   #904
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Here a real winner for you.
The guy who beat the guy who knocked out Monaco more than 3 times faster than Vitali could.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRotpnkhvtk[/ame]


Swollen eye, 52 years old and still wins.


Vitali is cool to watch though, he is an unique shw, and we probably never see a guy like him again once he retired.
But he didn't win.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:50 PM   #905
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Back to the matter at hand...

Here's your gif, Bremen

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In the first frame of this gif, the knuckles are clearly in contact with VK's eyebrow. The are pressed up right against that part of the body, in face. The only thing thing that they miss is the chance to knock Vitaly's head clean off his shoulders; though they do succeed in rocking his head back a bit. On the follow throw, the thumb part of the glove does not slice across the eye; if anything, any incidental contact would involve it brushing against the cheek-bone. Since no injury resulted from that particular point of contact, the result must stand,

TKO6

Don't get me wrong, Bremen. I feel your pain. I really do. As a fan of Bute, for example, I found it hard to watch a favored fighter get demolished at the hands of Carl Froch. But as much as I'd like to follow your lead and claim that not a single punch in that last salvo really landed, that Bute sideways lurch into the ropes was simply due to an unfortunate loss of balance, and that the result should therefore change to Bute DQ5 (due to the corner coming into the ring early) I just can't do that. I'm just not that willing to divorce myself from reality.

So, while I understand that it must have been tough to watch VK start so well, only to fizzle badly after getting chopped to shreds by a faded legend, that still doesn't provide you or anyone else with the justification to insult our intelligence by claiming a different result for this fight.

For the result remains the same after all this time, and will continue to do so throughout eternity...

And that result, in case you've forgotten, is...

LEWIS TKO 6
You can clearly see Lewis driving his thumb into Vitali's eye. Thumb of the glove is clearly visible in the first frame and then it is pushed into eye socket. Robberies do happen in boxing and this is not the worst one. Had there been an instant replay in boxing the outcome would have been different. I cannot blame the ref as he was standing on the side of the punch and could not see anything. Frame by frame analysis clearly shows that the outcome should have been TD6.

The rematch was in order but Lewis forfeited his title. The justice sort of prevailed as Vitali became the champ. It would have been nice to see him demolish Lewis in the rematch but I guess Lewis knew better than that and said "no mas"
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You can clearly see Lewis driving his thumb into Vitali's eye. Thumb of the glove is clearly visible in the first frame and then it is pushed into eye socket. Robberies do happen in boxing and this is not the worst one. Had there been an instant replay in boxing the outcome would have been different. I cannot blame the ref as he was standing on the side of the punch and could not see anything. Frame by frame analysis clearly shows that the outcome should have been TD6.

The rematch was in order but Lewis forfeited his title. The justice sort of prevailed as Vitali became the champ. It would have been nice to see him demolish Lewis in the rematch but I guess Lewis knew better than that and said "no mas"
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You can clearly see Lewis driving his thumb into Vitali's eye.


No, YOU can.

You've conjured this image and burned it so indelibly into your mind's eye that you can superimpose it on the actual visual stimuli being fed to your brain seamlessly.

You are IMPRESSIVELY disconnected from reality.
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:17 AM   #908
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Look at this pathetic display. Childish. Put your feathers back down, little pea****.
They're still butthurt over a fight that happened 10 years ago. Think about that for a second. Every day for 10 years, they get up and get upset about this fight between two guys who don't know them from a hole in the wall. They probably have dreams about Vitali winning by TD6 and then wake u and realize its still......




























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Old 08-23-2012, 12:36 AM   #909
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No, YOU can.

You've conjured this image and burned it so indelibly into your mind's eye that you can superimpose it on the actual visual stimuli being fed to your brain seamlessly.

You are IMPRESSIVELY disconnected from reality.
Bremen's complete inability to acknowledge the fact that Lennox's knuckles are pressed right up against the side VK's face in the first frame of that gif is indeed impressive. It either indicates a level of self-hypnosis that many yogis in Hindu sects could only hope to attain in their lives...Or an almost supernatural level of stupidity that is almost breathtaking to behold.

Pretty amazing to witness either way.
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:18 AM   #910
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No, YOU can.

You've conjured this image and burned it so indelibly into your mind's eye that you can superimpose it on the actual visual stimuli being fed to your brain seamlessly.

You are IMPRESSIVELY disconnected from reality.
No, you are. The entire boxing community was clamoring about the rematch because the outcome of the fight did not fairly represent what happened in the fight. Even Lewis said he wanted the rematch before cool heads talked him out of it for crying out loud.
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No, YOU can.

You've conjured this image and burned it so indelibly into your mind's eye that you can superimpose it on the actual visual stimuli being fed to your brain seamlessly.

You are IMPRESSIVELY disconnected from reality.

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Old 08-23-2012, 02:46 AM   #912
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No, you are. The entire boxing community was clamoring about the rematch because the outcome of the fight did not fairly represent what happened in the fight. Even Lewis said he wanted the rematch before cool heads talked him out of it for crying out loud.


That's a legal punch. End of story. Stop being a prick about it. It's sad so many people actually think the stoppage was bad / the punch was illegal aka a thumb. WHAT THE **** EVER.
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Old 08-23-2012, 02:53 AM   #913
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That's a legal punch. End of story. Stop being a prick about it. It's sad so many people actually think the stoppage was bad / the punch was illegal aka a thumb. WHAT THE **** EVER.


And not only one punch! Vitali had several cuts.

Lewis won TKO 6.
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Boxers don't train to cut up their opponents faces. Winning on cuts is pretty illegitimate especially when getting outboxed the entire fight. It's something called luck, and that's the problem.

Lennox Lewis lucked out to have the doctor end the fight. Out of 10 fights, Vitali wins 9. The fight proved that Vitali is much better technically and just look at the compubox stats. Vitali dominated every single statistical factor, landing many more power shots along with many more punches. Vitali almost put down Lewis 2x in the first 6, imagine what he'd do after that where he always does better in the 2nd half of the fight?

There's a thing called luck in sports: Lewis was lucky, but he isn't more skilled than Vitali. If you think so, you're an idiot and you never watched the bout. Vitali did win the event, because he showed that he was better and Lewis was simply lucky.



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Old 08-23-2012, 06:39 AM   #915
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Lewis said he would rematch to the press. He waited as Vitali blew out Johnson. 15+ Million dollars was there for Lewis to re-match. Boxing needed this fight. The WBC ordered the re-match. Lewis who ran his mouth BALKED. He knew he wasn't going to win the re-match.

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