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Old 02-17-2013, 11:12 AM   #121
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Cleveland Williams got a title shot while being crippled and having large parts of his intestines removed.
That tells you all about the 60s for hw boxing.

On the night of Nov. 29, 1964, Williams's car was stopped near Houston by a highway patrolman, Dale Witten, who said he was speeding. According to the police, Williams resisted arrest, and the officer's .357 magnum revolver went off in a struggle. The bullet moved across Williams's intestines and lodged against his right hip.
Williams always maintained that while he had been drinking, he had not been drunk and was driving normally. Witten proceeded to drive Williams to an area of Houston that Williams later described as "tough on black folks." As this was segregation-era Texas, Williams became alarmed and Witten drew his .357 magnum on him. Still in the car, Williams tried to grab the pistol and was shot in the lower abdomen.
Williams lay in the street for some time while the police and local whites decided what to do with him. He eventually reached a hospital.
Williams underwent four operations over the next seven months for colon damage and an injured right kidney, which was removed in June 1965. Doctors did not take out a bullet that had broken his right hip joint and caused partial paralysis of some hip muscles.
I know all about it. Williams was and still is overrated. He stopped Terrell in early 1962 and drew with Machen in mid 1962... he lost to Terrell (a better Terrell) in their 1963 rematch. He looked like shit vs. Satterfield and Liston x2. He lasted a total of 6 1/2 rounds vs. Liston and Satterfield in 3 fights. He was down 6 times in these fights. All of this happened before 1964. Stopping Terrell, drawing with Machen, and even losing a SD to Terrell is pretty good... but knocking the crap out of Williams doesn't make you great.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:13 AM   #122
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I remember going up to ring magazine as a youngster 15years old and looking at all of the hand molds of the Heavyweights, The one that stuck out was Primo Carnera, incredible and the largest by far, it was freaky.....Sonny had long arms for a guy slightly north of 6" even an 80 inch reach would be freaky but 84 is strictly myth
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Primo was tall, long reach, big everything... sucked balls and got beat up and outboxed by much smaller men. Size ain't everything.
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Liston was as tall as the regular 1950s heavyweights only he had longer than usual arms and bigger hands. Even on film you can tell against men as tall as himself Sonny has the longer arms. Nobody but a taller fighter could match his reach.

However, Sonny was shorter than all the 6'3'' guys who came later.


In the 1960s Ali was tall. By the 1970s ali was not tall anymore. Liston was not tall in the 1950s.

If Hasim Rahman trained in the 1950s he would look like Sonny Liston.
Did average heights really increase over the span of 10 years?
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