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Old 08-11-2012, 08:21 PM   #1
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"There's no such thing as overtraining - it's a state of mind. It doesn't exist. If you got a job as a dustbin man and had to pick up heavy dustbins all day long, the first day would probably be very difficult, possibly almost impossible for some to complete. So what do you do, take three days off and possibly lose your job?


"No, you'd take your sore, beaten self to work the next day. You'd mope around and be fatigued, much less energetic than the previous day, but you'd make yourself get through it. Then you'd get home, soak in the bath, take aspirin, and so forth. The next day would be even worse.


"But eventually you'd be running down the street throwing dustbins around and joking with your co-workers. How did this happen? You forced your body to adapt to the job at hand! If you can't strenuously and aerobically exercise for 20 hours a week, you're not overtrained, you're undertrained! Could a random person off the street come to the gym with you and do your exact workout? Probably not, because they're undertrained."
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Old 08-11-2012, 08:24 PM   #2
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I agree with this apart from the "There's no such thing as overtraining" which is obviously false.
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Old 08-11-2012, 09:15 PM   #3
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shit I had to take today and tomorrow off from overtraining. My body had no juice in it and I felt like I was sick almost to go along with my hurt shins.
I do get what he's saying, but you have to be careful with that type of thinking. It can lead to injury
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Old 08-11-2012, 09:38 PM   #4
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i agree with his analogy

i work a physical labor job 5-6 days a week and after a tough day you come in the next brand new

if you get the right sleep, liquids and foods workin a tough week becomes routine

not sure how much this relates to being a boxer

i mean you train hard for a period of time for one night of possible hell and on that night you gotta be at your best

i suppose the only way to over train is if you drain yourself or hurt yourself
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Old 08-11-2012, 10:01 PM   #5
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I can't say that I've ever been overtrained to the point where I needed a week off to get back to normal.
But every so often (roughly once a month) I'll hit a training session where everything feels heavy. (arms, legs, shoulders, ect)
The first clue is my shadowboxing. 95% of the time it's crisp, with good speedy combos and lightness in footwork and head movements.
But when I'm overreached my arms are very heavy, footwork is labored, and I have no interest in continuing.
On those nights, I bag it, take a shower, eat a lot of food, and sleep.
Next day, I'm good to go.
Granted, there are days when I'm tired when my training starts, but I shake it off quickly while warming up, and usually have great sessions after that.
But on those infrequent occasions when a good warmup doesn't kick my ass into gear, I take a step back and live to fight another day instead of digging myself into a hole.
I've worked construction for the last 24 years, so I know what it means to suck it up in order to do a job. It's not an option to lay down when you have obligations to meet.
But with training hard, sometimes it's better to take a step back in order to take two steps foward.
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Old 08-12-2012, 02:25 AM   #6
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Well Chris Eubank is known for saying stupid things.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:09 AM   #7
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Agree with most of what he's said.

I've been genuinely overtrained before and believe me, you'll know about it. It's not a case of; 'oh deer, I'm sore - I must be overtrained' either. For me it felt like actual illness and I had absolutely no desire to get out of bed.

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Old 08-12-2012, 04:48 AM   #8
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Agree with most of what he's said.

I've been genuinely overtrained before and believe me, you'll know about it. It's not a case of; 'oh deer, I'm sore - I must be overtrained' either, for me it felt like actual illness and I had absolutely no desire to get out of bed.
I never do
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:12 AM   #9
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Don't know where you found this quote but those are the words of John Broz, weightlifting coach. Skip down to 'There's no Such Thing as Overtraining' in this article, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:19 AM   #10
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Well there certainly is such a thing as being overtrained.

A good video that I posted the other day that may be of interest:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1GStV46Ck[/ame]
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:55 AM   #11
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Well there certainly is such a thing as being overtrained.

A good video that I posted the other day that may be of interest:

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Great video. Resistance training overtraining is hard to achieve, Cardiovascular overtraining doesn't take much so that's why I think Eubank is talking nonsense here.
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Old 08-12-2012, 07:24 AM   #12
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Don't know where you found this quote but those are the words of John Broz, weightlifting coach. Skip down to 'There's no Such Thing as Overtraining' in this article, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
I knew I'd read that somewhere before.
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Old 08-12-2012, 07:40 AM   #13
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Great video. Resistance training overtraining is hard to achieve, Cardiovascular overtraining doesn't take much so that's why I think Eubank is talking nonsense here.
Yep, although some people don't consider Layne Norton, a hugely respected man within his industry, with a BSc in biochemistry and a PhD in nutritional sciences, multiple bodybuilding competition wins and multiple powerlifting wins with very impressive lifts, a valid source of information.
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:19 AM   #14
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Has this guy ever tried setting PR's on deadlifts for multiple days in a row, or any of the main lifts (squats, cleans, snatches, etc.)?

The inevitable decrease in performance, wouldn't that count as a symptom of overtraining?
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:09 AM   #15
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Yep, although some people don't consider Layne Norton, a hugely respected man within his industry, with a BSc in biochemistry and a PhD in nutritional sciences, multiple bodybuilding competition wins and multiple powerlifting wins with very impressive lifts, a valid source of information.
Yeah it's pretty funny, then they'll take the word of their gym buddy because he looks pretty good... he must be an expert in the field
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