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Old 08-13-2012, 05:10 PM   #1
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Default Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

People have made reference to this over the years saying Ike decline really accelerated after his fight with Tua which was blamed on the amount of blows he took, Cedric Kushner was the last person I saw in a interview make reference to this.
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Old 08-13-2012, 05:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

Probably! That was one hell of a fight when I saw it...
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:24 PM   #3
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Default Re: Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

It was no secret he was admitted to hospital after the fight complaining of severe headaches (not surprising).
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:03 PM   #4
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Default Re: Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

Mental illness doesn't work that way.

First of all, Ike wasn't well-known before the Tua fight -- any bizarre behavior from before that fight wouldn't likely be known to the public unless it resulted in him being arrested.

His mother didn't fight Tua, and she's batsh!t crazy. Look at her allegations in this lawsuit (chips implanted in her brain and such):

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She also rants on her website about Cedric Kushner poisoning Ike's food and drink and all sort of insane stuff.

Mental illness is often hereditary. And Ike claimed only he and his mother could see the demons that were plaguing him.

When Ike was arrested for ***ual assault and battery in Nevada, records of other claims of similar assaults by him in Arizona arose. I'm not clear exactly when these alleged assaults occured, but according to his mother's (admittedly kooky) website account, it was before Ike signed with Cedric -- and since Ike signed with Cedric in 1996, before the Tua fight, there's a good chance he was acting out in a mentally ill way BEFORE he and Tua ever laced 'em up.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:06 PM   #5
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Default Re: Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

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Mental illness doesn't work that way..
I'm not denying that there were already proclivities toward these behaviors. However, mental illness or instability can follow traumatic brain injury, as has been witnessed too much after modern battlefield injuries. And I'm not just talking PTSD.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:31 PM   #6
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I'm not denying that there were already proclivities toward these behaviors. However, mental illness or instability can follow traumatic brain injury, as has been witnessed too much after modern battlefield injuries. And I'm not just talking PTSD.
I second that, my uncle (D.2007) was schitzo who's conditioned was unknown at the time prior to his mid 30's had been invovled in 2 serious car accidents, his mental condition was never the same after the 2nd accident, then a slow decline of his mental wellbeing followed in the years.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:47 PM   #7
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I'm not denying that there were already proclivities toward these behaviors. However, mental illness or instability can follow traumatic brain injury, as has been witnessed too much after modern battlefield injuries. And I'm not just talking PTSD.
True. The back portion of the brain is directly related to behavior, I think. The non-dominant hemisphere of the brain (usually the right side) is also related to creativity and emotions. Damage to other portions of the brain could also indirectly cause alterations in the behavior.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:55 PM   #8
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Default Re: Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

The point I'm making is that we know next to nothing about Ike's behavior before the Tua fight.

Yes, he complained about headaches after that fight. But do we know if he compained about headaches before that fight?

He acted crazy after that fight. But did he act crazy before?

He assualted a call girl after that fight -- but it appears he ***ually assaulted, or attempted to ***ually assault, women before that fight.

I'd love to hear what Curtis Cokes might have said on the subject of Ike's behavior if asked after Ike was locked up. He might have interesting tales to tell.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:38 AM   #9
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Default Re: Was Ike's fight with Tua the cause of his mental decline?

I think I remember Larry Merchant and other HBO people commenting on a few weird things Ibeabuchi had said even during the Tua fight, so it wouldn't surprise me if Ike wasn't all there before the bout.

Of course, any sport that involves training someone to use violence or taking constant blows to the head is going to have an effect on the way people act, and makes many more prone to violent behavior and mood disorders. Look at all the scrutiny football is under now with the way that concussions players suffer is being linked to later behavior, including suicidal tendencies and such.

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Old 08-14-2012, 01:45 AM   #10
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Probably made an existing condition worse watch the Byrd fight there were times when he was acting very weird and pulling some weird faces.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:34 AM   #11
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Also forgot to add, was Ike actually diagnosed as schizophrenic? I've only read Kushner and some others mention he was, but nothin official.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:36 AM   #12
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But do we know if he compained about headaches before that fight?

He acted crazy after that fight. But did he act crazy before?
If I remember correctly I read some interviews with people close to Ike - apparently he was always mentally unstable even before the Tua fight.
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Old 08-14-2012, 10:03 AM   #13
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Just the opposite, I think mentally that fight did a lot for his confidence. He stood in with the biggest puncher in the division and set a record for most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:18 PM   #14
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My girlfriend is Nigerian they have allot of either religious or black magic type beliefs in their culture.

However I do wonder if brain damage could have added to the mental problems he had
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:50 PM   #15
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Just the opposite, I think mentally that fight did a lot for his confidence. He stood in with the biggest puncher in the division and set a record for most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight.
Confidence wise, I wouldn't doubt that but his mental well being was often brought into question especially after this match.
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