Here goes some original Jeet Kune Do for anybody

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

No, I did not say JKD practitioners have a 6th sense. Men do in general. That's why women are taught not to expect it to be easy to just hit a male attacker in the nuts. Also, I'm not all that big a fan of JKD techniques as a whole. I'm more a fan of the philosophy. Who was the first person to start trolling in this thread?

Ahh right, well I would not say that's the case here, seen plenty of guys get dropped with a whack on the love spuds before they had time to react. So I guess the best form of self defence is a woman's rape class or something as they will counter this then Who's trolling?

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Ahh right, well I would say that's the case here, seen plenty of guys get dropped with a whack on the love spuds before they had time to react. So I guess the best form of self defence is a woman's rape class or something as they will counter this then Who's trolling?

I was earlier in the thread, or I thought I was. Maybe I'm using the incorrect terminology. I was making fun in an attempt to hijack the thread, whatever you call it. Then, I was drinking yesterday and felt sorry for sugarngold and was trying to come to his defense.

[Stoo]

Ahh right, I thought we were talking about nut shots and eye gouges

May come in handy is any of us ever face Phil Davis in a street fight. Do you think those pink shorts discourage nut shots, and whilst the other guy thinks ''What the **** is he wearing, Hallman's cast offs?''( I dont know what that is in Portuguese) Phil goes for the eyes?

[Canibus81]

Originally Posted by boranbkk

Message to Sifu Lamar and his kind form the big cheese in the sky.....

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For the guy that said the bigger guy will always have the advantage, well I actually witnessed a fight with him against 250Ib. bouncer(a very cordinated one too) who threatened to break his neck and I actually thought the samething you did, that he would walk right thru him because of his size. But the fight told a different story, and not only did he get destroyed but the 50 people there that saw the fight couldn't believe it and he made him quit his job, he never worked there again. That's what happens to big dudes who have super ego's and don't think they can get beat.(it was also his karma because he was trying to be a bully and had his way over powering most of the people he fought and not only did he get his ass whipped but he got his ass whipped by someone smaller than him) Skills is what gets the job down, not size.


And there's never gonna be a perfect situation, but if you have the right techinque in whatever it is your doing(and your being taught the right way) and you've done it in training and worked on actuality, with someone coming at you different ways, than it will work. But that doesn't mean after you get it you say you got it and don't need to do it anymore, you go back and do it again, even when you get sick and tired of it, so it's automatic, that's the way your suppose to train.

[Canibus81]

Originally Posted by sugarngold

Lord, you give them eyes but they cannot see. I wouldn't waste your time posting anything about JKD on this forum. There is no appreciation for realistic street fighting here - only rules regulated sports.

That's because of UFC. UFC has a lot of people believing that all the best fighters in the world are ring fighters and not realizing that training for the ring and streets are 2 different things. Even the ground game, alot of them don't realize you waist time when you use that in the streets(it's good to adapt to your game) but you do that and most guys in the streets don't know how to fight, so you bet there gonna have buddies with them and if they are armed, you try bring someone to the ground to do a submission hold, he's gonna be stabbing you, but if your only trained for the ring, you won't know what to do it that situation. And JKD is also an MMA, and I know you've done the research but too many people still refuse to accept that Bruce Lee didn't believe in styles and adapted the techinques that actually worked, that was the most important thing.

[Canibus81]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Ahh, the willing sparring partner, the fancy wing chun routines, good old JKD.

How would you know? Have you ever fought a real JKD fighter? The video I just posted, I actually touched hands with him and if he didn't know what he was doing, I wouldn't even waisted my time training with him. I actually had freestyle wrerstling, boxing and some Muay Thai before I even started training with him and I doubted it at first but when I tried to come at him and attack him, he made me a believer, and let me tell you, it's not pretty because he didn't even hit him me, but just block itself had me thinking. And as you can see, he doesn't just throw flashy ass shit, he wants people to attack him. Nobody yet has proven him wrong about JKD and he's treated soo many poeple like rag dolls, he doesn't even care to even do it no more, because right after he shuts up one Idiot, there will always be another idiot.

[rusty nails]

So, what's your point? I never said he was going around submitting people by bending their fingers.

My point is that in terms of application in the real world JKD as a stand alone "art" pales in comparison to alot of other styles

I was discussing a similar subject with an attorney, and it all has to do with timing. If someone attacks you, and you happen to have a baseball bat accessible during this attack, you can hit and kill your attacker and get off on self defense. If someone kicks your ass and walks away, and you pick up a bat and follow and kill your attacker; you will be charged with murder.

Thats complete and utter bullshit. i know this because im going through it in court right now.
the force has to be consistent with the threat faced. otherwise youd have guys in court saying i stabbed that guy and killed him because he spat on me. try again

If it isn't likely, then why do so many fighters cower in the cage after an eye gouge or low blow. Some are experienced and looking to take advantage of a point deduction, but some are completely thrown off by what is a foul in a fight with rules.

you said it yourself most of the time its because they know there is a ref there that will pick it up. im not saying it doesnt EVER happen. what im saying is for every guy who ends up completely debilitated and defenseless on the floor theres a hundred guys who have fought through a low blow or blinked off a thumb in the eye.
put all those same guys in a do or die situation and the numbers would increase dramatically

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by rusty nails

My point is that in terms of application in the real world JKD as a stand alone "art" pales in comparison to alot of other styles

I don't disagree with you there. I consider JKD more as a philosophy than as an art. BJJ is the only stand alone art that I know of. Not saying it is perfect, but it is the most complete.

Originally Posted by rusty nails

Thats complete and utter bullshit. i know this because im going through it in court right now.
the force has to be consistent with the threat faced. otherwise youd have guys in court saying i stabbed that guy and killed him because he spat on me. try again

I'm not an attorney, I was merely pointing out a conversation I had with one. Stabbing a guy that spat on you is not the same as stabbing a guy trying to beat on you. Then you have the knife to deal with. What size was it? Was it a concealed weapon or a pocket knife? What country/state are we talking about. These are all things I wouldn't know anything about, so I won't speculate any further.

Originally Posted by rusty nails

you said it yourself most of the time its because they know there is a ref there that will pick it up. im not saying it doesnt EVER happen. what im saying is for every guy who ends up completely debilitated and defenseless on the floor theres a hundred guys who have fought through a low blow or blinked off a thumb in the eye.
put all those same guys in a do or die situation and the numbers would increase dramatically

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

Maybe I didn't make my posts clear enough. That happens, especially when alcohol is involved. I don't think an eye gouge, or groin kick, will necessarily end a fight on it's own. I'm saying the opponent's reaction to them can give you the opportunity to finish. The immediate, if only temporary, loss of vision can leave you opponent to a fight ending strike, submission, or both.

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Ahh right, I thought we were talking about nut shots and eye gouges

My bad. When you initially commented on my 6th sense remark, I thought you putting me in the Carruthers crowd. I was like "Hey, wait a minute! I'm the first one to start making fun of this thread."

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Ahh right, I thought we were talking about nut shots and eye gouges

May come in handy is any of us ever face Phil Davis in a street fight. Do you think those pink shorts discourage nut shots, and whilst the other guy thinks ''What the **** is he wearing, Hallman's cast offs?''( I dont know what that is in Portuguese) Phil goes for the eyes?

Stop it Stoo, you've got me rollin again!

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

My bad. When you initially commented on my 6th sense remark, I thought you putting me in the Carruthers crowd. I was like "Hey, wait a minute! I'm the first one to start making fun of this thread."

Talking about poking fun..........

There's something very JKD about this clip especially the guy in turquoise.

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[rusty nails]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I don't disagree with you there. I consider JKD more as a philosophy than as an art. BJJ is the only stand alone art that I know of. Not saying it is perfect, but it is the most complete.





I'm not an attorney, I was merely pointing out a conversation I had with one. Stabbing a guy that spat on you is not the same as stabbing a guy trying to beat on you. Then you have the knife to deal with. What size was it? Was it a concealed weapon or a pocket knife? What country/state are we talking about. These are all things I wouldn't know anything about, so I won't speculate any further.






Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

Maybe I didn't make my posts clear enough. That happens, especially when alcohol is involved. I don't think an eye gouge, or groin kick, will necessarily end a fight on it's own. I'm saying the opponent's reaction to them can give you the opportunity to finish. The immediate, if only temporary, loss of vision can leave you opponent to a fight ending strike, submission, or both.

this all started because sugarnold started crapping on about how JKD is the best style for the street because its the most "real" and muay thai/bjj/boxing etc are no good because they dont know how to fight dirty.
What im saying is with all things being equal, if JKD is all youve got and you come up against an actual mma/judo/bjj and the rest of these so called "sport fighters" street or no street your MOST LIKELY going to get ****ing smashed.

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by rusty nails

this all started because sugarnold started crapping on about how JKD is the best style for the street because its the most "real" and muay thai/bjj/boxing etc are no good because they dont know how to fight dirty.
What im saying is with all things being equal, if JKD is all youve got and you come up against an actual mma/judo/bjj and the rest of these so called "sport fighters" street or no street your MOST LIKELY going to get ****ing smashed.

I didn't read a lot of his arguments, because this subject is just an easy button of his to push. Start a Rickson sucks thread and you'll get even more responses from him. Well, I wouldn't count on the same number responses; but you'll get plenty of disdain. I don't think he was fully in on the joke, which was making fun of the video in the op. I think he turned all the trolling responses into an anti JKD argument.

[rusty nails]

Originally Posted by rekcutnevets

I didn't read a lot of his arguments, because this subject is just an easy button of his to push. Start a Rickson sucks thread and you'll get even more responses from him. Well, I wouldn't count on the same number responses; but you'll get plenty of disdain. I don't think he was fully in on the joke, which was making fun of the video in the op. I think he turned all the trolling responses into an anti JKD argument.

well maybe you should read the crap your buddy is actually saying before you go galloping in on your white horse to take his side

[rekcutnevets]

Originally Posted by rusty nails

well maybe you should read the crap your buddy is actually saying before you go galloping in on your white horse to take his side

I may have been taking his side in this case, because of partiality. I won't deny that. I think he also has a point, and I defend the point he was trying to make. I recently did that for the haggis in another thread, and I hate sticking up for that poster.

Again, I think he jumped in on a thread using the incorrect tone without being fully in on the joke. He was also a bit douchee here and there. He may think I was being a douche when I hijacked this thread. Things like that happen. If he was defending the kind of showperson shit going on in the op, then **** it; I'm glad he is mad. If he was going with his no rules vs with rules approach, then I am with him to a certain degree.

Remember, the comments that got me to jump in were

Originally Posted by rusty nails

you have no idea about fighting whatsoever.. none
just a bunch of half baked eastern philosophy and too many martial arts movies

That's not true. He is a legitimate martial artist, with competition experience, and has a legitimate bjj belt from Relson Gracie. I probably wouldn't have posted nearly as much in this thread as I did were it not for those remarks. It's not like he said something that wasn't true. He just had an asshole's tone in this discussion.