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Old 01-24-2008, 06:08 AM   #1
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Default Should Gilchrist think about retiring...?

His batting has been on the slide for a while...

But far more important..... His wicketkeeping is not what it once was.

He wouldn't be rated in the top 2 of current Aussie Keepers.

He has dropped some real sitters in this series....

Maybe it is time to give one of the better Keepers a go....

Australia can't carry a Keeper on the decline.

Maybe he could be left in the One Day side for a while.... But the best keeper should always be chosen to play Test Cricket for Australia.
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Old 01-24-2008, 06:55 AM   #2
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But the best keeper should always be chosen to play Test Cricket for Australia.
If that was the case he never would have been picked. In my mind he'll always be a batsman/keeper. Haddin is a good replacement and will be in sooner rather than later.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:02 AM   #3
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haddin deserves more then a go, he really deserves a long stay in the job because he is brilliant both bat, and with keeping gloves has improved out of sight last few years, and is number one man in australia for it, i think its what australia needs aswell, a middle order man that is now consistent and can destroy spinners all over the park, remember he did very well in india.....
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:03 AM   #4
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If that was the case he never would have been picked. In my mind he'll always be a batsman/keeper. Haddin is a good replacement and will be in sooner rather than later.
Haddin is the best Keeper in Australia..... He deserves his chance after this series.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:09 AM   #5
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Berry was miles better than Gilchrist as a keeper but his batting was woeful. The selectors did make the right decision however as Gilchrists Blade has helped us to numerous wins. In fact the Aus selectors seemed to have set a precedent as most nations now pick a keeper that can do ok with the bat, Boucher - SA, SL have had a few, England tried it but came up with the novel approach of having a keeper who couldn't keep.

But yeah, Gillys gloves are miles behind Healy & Marsh. Does some great things but has missed a lot of basic stuff in his time. He did work hard at it but still just missing those final touches.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:09 AM   #6
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Haddin's had a few chances for Australia in limited overs games (where he is at his best) but hasn't really performed.

I haven't kept up to date with state cricket for a while. hows he going now? whats his average in the 4 day game?
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:15 AM   #7
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ODIs

26 Matches, 24 inninings, 2NOs

693 Runs, 87* HS, 31.5 Ave, 82.01 SR, 3 50s

31 Catches, 4 Stumpings.

The few games I've seen him play for Aus I remember him doing ok to well. In a recent series he was picked as a batsman alone. His SR is extremely healthy and he's done very well domestically the last few seasons.

I get the feeling Gilly will go soon, otherwise he'll be facing the same situation that saw him get his test debut.

We're extremely lucky to have such a ready made replacement.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:17 AM   #8
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Missed the First Class.

86 Matches, 143 Innings, 16 NO

5229 Runs, 154 HS, 41.17 Ave. 9 100s, 30 50s

248 Catches, 22 Stumpings.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:40 AM   #9
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I went to school with Adam when we were kids. He came from a good family, his father had coached the NSW cricket team and his two brothers and sister were good cricketers. Adam always had a good eye but wasnt an exceptional cricketer but he was very talented.

All players go through form slumps, he has been exceptionally consistent throughout his career so even though he is coming to the end its not to say he cant turn it around and end it on the high
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:50 AM   #10
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England tried it but came up with the novel approach of having a keeper who couldn't keep.
the two most worthy over the last 2/3 seasons have been ignored, tim ambrose and james foster. both with extremely healthy batting averages and impressive gloveman. ambrose has finally been selected for the tour of new zealand next month.

gilchrist is still at this moment in time the best australia have to offer so no they shouldn't drop him although his position as best bat/wicketkeeper in the world is only currently intact because kumar sangakarra is currently not keeping wicket.
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:06 AM   #11
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Batsmen who rely on hand-eye co-ordination (like Gilly) dont usually have long careers; they lose a little of their sharpness and they're pretty much done. Look how Tendulkar is still doing pretty well now, but he's a totally different player from his prime - he had the fundamentals in place to change his style. AG has done well to last this long imo, what is he, 37?


But no, I don't think he should be dropped. Even if he isn't what he was he can still be one of the most enteraining and destructive batters around.
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:58 AM   #12
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I went to school with Adam when we were kids. He came from a good family, his father had coached the NSW cricket team and his two brothers and sister were good cricketers. Adam always had a good eye but wasnt an exceptional cricketer but he was very talented.

All players go through form slumps, he has been exceptionally consistent throughout his career so even though he is coming to the end its not to say he cant turn it around and end it on the high
You were brought up in lismore and went to Kadina high?
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:10 PM   #13
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I went to school with Adam when we were kids. He came from a good family, his father had coached the NSW cricket team and his two brothers and sister were good cricketers. Adam always had a good eye but wasnt an exceptional cricketer but he was very talented.

All players go through form slumps, he has been exceptionally consistent throughout his career so even though he is coming to the end its not to say he cant turn it around and end it on the high
Mate ....He has reached the age where the reflexes start to slow and the old bones creak.

His batting should not even be considered when it is clear that his wicketkeeping skills are dissipating.

One dropped catch can drop the match....

PS: His Batting average from 6 innings in this Series is only 22.... He has dropped some sitters behind the stumps.

There are other Keepers out there who deserve the chance.... The same as Gilchrist did when Healy was on the decline.
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Old 01-24-2008, 04:40 PM   #14
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I couldn't agree more and I have been calling for his head for about 12 months. He has done nothing lately with the bat, but most importantly is costing us wickets behind the stumps.

Australia do not need another batsman but a full time keeper. We bat down to 11 anyways as long as we don't let tait back in to the side.

Haddin is a brilliant keeper, and once again we are lucky to have a keeper who is good with the bat. If we wanted a batsman rather then a keeper bring in a top order batsman and throw the gloves to anyone and we would archieve that result.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:16 PM   #15
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yeh youve got 2 wonder if he can turn it round...it would b good 2 c him end it on his own terms...
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